Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

[SandrasNewDo]

It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

You are on Mumsnet

Is MN social media? Let me clarify - I don’t have a Facebook or Twitter account.

You’re using it now !! Please stop re-posting incorrect information that has already been discredited. You are just adding to the problem. Several threads have already been taken down for less, so you’re single handedly putting this discussion in jeopardy as well.

You understand why media pull articles don't you - either they've got their facts wrong or they've been misled.

OK. So your only source is a now defunct Telegraph article, but you feel that was enough for you to come on social media and declare that the riot was not caused by misinformation being spread on social media, but by the arrest of a man who had a flick knife. And the EDL just happened to be there.

We see you.

Yes, MN is social media. Why do you think MN moderators are taking down threads that speculate ? The police asked for the online speculation and rumours to stop. They didn’t, and look what happened last night. The article was taken down because it was proved false information - that’s the responsible thing to do. The irresponsible thing to do is to keep re-posting it because you clearly think there’s some conspiracy afoot behind its disappearance. Our MP has commented on the misinformation online as being responsible, and so has Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary. Do you think they are lying or misinformed ?

But a man in a balaclava with a knife was arrested. How is that spreading incorrect information?

Don’t you think it’s relevant?

If you'd said just that, it would not be misinformation but that is not all you said.

Just to refresh your memory @User8646382 this is what you said.

That’s right. As reported by the Telegraph last night.

Your interpretation of the fact that the Telegraph has subsequently taken down the information is the information was wrong. My interpretation of the fact that the Telegraph has subsequently taken down the information is that the information was too controversial.

We have no way of knowing which of us is right. However, if you are right and the arrest of the man did not precipitate the violence, why are the media not reporting on the existence of the man? Do they consider it irrelevant? A man wearing a balaclava and carrying a knife where a vigil is being held for children killed in a stabbing incident?

For clarity. The Telegraph article was taken down because it suggested that the man was arrested at the vigil because he had a knife.

What actually happened as far as we know locally is that there was a peaceful vigil on Lord Street from 6pm, then a large group began to gather near the mosque on St Luke's Road, (which is two roads away from Hart Street), at about 7.45pm, and there was stand-off with police. As a result a 24 hour Section 60 order for enhanced stop and search powers was put in place from 7.55pm. A Section 34 order was also introduced, allowing police to move on anyone engaging in antisocial behaviour, or likely to do so, away from the area.

The man was stopped in line with the Section 60 order. This was on Eastbank Street, not far from where the vigil was taking place, but not actually at it. He was searched and found to be carrying a flick knife and he was arrested. It was nothing whatever to do with sparking the violence which was well underway by then.

You’re talking shite and endangering the thread with outright speculation. See my post above. I’m local to the area and that is what actually happened. Your timeline of the events is completely wrong, and all information is verifiable by the police statements released. I’m reporting this nonsense now.

However, if you are right and the arrest of the man did not precipitate the violence, why are the media not reporting on the existence of the man?

Well, they are reporting it:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/southport-attack-riot-police-b2588512.html

The arrest of the man is not a secret, Merseyside Police reported it

Yep.

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2024/july/man-arrested-after-incident-in-southport/

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/man-arrested-flick-knife-seized-29646136

https://www.gbnews.com/news/man-wearing-balaclava-flick-knife-arrested-southport-vigil (sorry for GB news link).

The media are reporting it. Several news outlets ran the correct version of events. The police have also reported on it themselves. The man was arrested after an order was made for stop and search powers in the area. He was arrested on Eastbank Street, the vigil was being held on Lord Street. And the violence was already underway - a mob had gathered outside the mosque on St Luke’s Road and that was where the violence had erupted. Can you stop now please ?

I saw that and posted about that last night. Then I thought it was a lie as couldn’t find anything. Then just after I posted on that thread that it was a probable lie I saw it in the daily mail.

This morning I can’t find it. Their site is trash for ads and loading so that’s no surprise. But I don’t know if it is still on there. Whether they were fooled also or whether it’s true or not.

It is a mystery.

And it sounds like Pam above knows what’s happened more than me.

Apparently no mystery. There were several reports, including from the police themselves. The initial reports were taken down because they were incorrect in the detail - I think the Telegraph reported that he was arrested actually at the vigil, which wasn’t the case. There was some confusion in the timelines in some of the reports but locally it was clarified that he was arrested as a result of the stop and search powers put in place because of the violence, which had already erupted.

Right then @User8646382 would you like to self report your post of 13:14 as misinformation or would you like one of us to do it for you?

What misinformation? It was reported in the Telegraph.

But please feel free to add me to the list of posters you have so far reported for daring to disagree with you.

It was withdrawn from the Telegraph so they at least recognise it was unreliable even if you cling to it in the face of facts.

Give it a rest will you

Many of the EDL will have been on their way there for a ruck already when the police arrested flick knife guy. Which part of "rioters from outside the area" didn't you understand?

Whether flick knife guy had turned up or not, the EDL were going to throw bricks.

My interpretation of the fact that the Telegraph has subsequently taken down the information is that the information was too controversial.

Do you believe in microchips in vaccines too? The Telegraph aren't exactly known for spiking controversial stories that the Left don't like.