Southport - why do they keep saying a ‘Taylor Swift themed club’?

[SandrasNewDo]

It’s really bothering me.

Is it because
a) the murder of 2 children and attempted murder and severe injury of 9 others isn’t newsworthy enough without involving Taylor Swift’s name?

b) Taylor Swift needs to suffer some guilt by association in the way Ariana Grande did with the bombing at her concert?

What’s the need or relevance? If it had been a 80’s music dance class would they keep saying that? Why not just say summer dance club and then focus on the children and adults who were hurt or killed - I can’t even imagine the devastation their families and the whole community must be suffering.

Anyone?

I’m the PP you initially responded to, and you keep saying I was ‘unaware’. I wasn’t. I knew there had been an arrest but I corrected you because the information you posted was based on the Telegraph article which was not accurate. And what you posted above is not what you originally posted - you went with the incorrect information that this was someone who was arrested at the the vigil because he had a knife. Clearly not the case, and the reason the original article was withdrawn. He wasn’t arrested for being an overt threat to anyone, he was arrested because police, rightly, were operating a section 60 order to stop and search in the area. He was arrested in line with that and was found to have a flick knife on him. He wasn’t brandishing it around, or threatening anyone, but carrying a concealed knife is a crime. I should point out that none of the credible news outlets I’ve seen, or the local police reports, have confirmed he was wearing a balaclava, although there may be confirmation somewhere.

Well, no actually. You are the one who keeps reposting incorrect information. You’re like a dog with a bone, despite several posters calling you out. This poster is not bullying you, they’re simply trying to get you to stop before the thread is deleted for speculation.

https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2024/july/appeal-after-more-than-50-officers-injured-in-southport-disorder/

Of the 53 injured, 49 were Merseyside Police officers and four were Lancashire Police officers. Eight sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion and were treated in hospital.

Other officers suffered varying degrees of injury including head injuries, serious facial injuries and one was knocked unconscious

Article also contains details of 4 arrests, incl the man with the knife

No, you won’t get flamed because you’re right. But the present argument centres around trying to get a particular poster to stop re-posting incorrect information which is likely to get the thread deleted. I think it’s important to stress again that the violence wasn’t caused by locals. It was agitators who got the train to the area after misinformation was posted online. People who are hijacking the grief and trauma of those affected for their own political purposes. This is why that poster needs to be stopped from spreading what are basically their own conspiracy theories, despite concrete evidence to the contrary.

This thread is honestly unusable due to the same few posters just spamming page after page.

We’re thirteen pages away from the end and still this poster won’t stop. I’ve reported their posts several times and some have been deleted but not all. Their posts are a perfect example of the type of misinformation that started the violence in the first place.

Not arguing at all. This poster is determined to continue posting their own point of view entirely based on incorrect information. This type of posting on social media was responsible for what happened here in Southport last night, and several threads on MN have been deleted for similar speculation. There are thirteen pages left on the thread, and I for one, would like to continue sensible discussion around the issues without the threat of MN shutting it down at any minute, not to mention not relishing another night of violence based on similar unfounded shite being posted regardless of actual fact.

I haven’t had any posts deleted as far as I am aware thank you.

You’ve misunderstood - maybe I didn’t make myself clear, sorry . I was replying to you and citing another poster who seems to be like a dog with a bone. You’re right, it has affected the thread but I wouldn’t describe it as spamming, because if that particular poster is allowed to carry on posting misinformation it’ll likely result in the thread being deleted.

Nobody is censoring you. But while you continue to post incorrect information, which has been corrected several times - a fact which you still continue to ignore in favour of your own conspiracy theories - you are putting the whole discussion at risk of being deleted. It’s online misinformation which started these riots. It’s online misinformation which caused agitators to travel to the area and hijack the grief and shock of everyone involved for their own purposes. You are perpetuating that. Please stop now.

The man with the knife is a separate issue and clearly the EDL were assembling before he was apprehended.

HOWEVER I do object to a poster referring to his wearing a “bally” and being a “guy” as if it’s some regular dude up to nothing much. This was an individual out in public with a flick knife. Not something to minimise.

I don’t think it should be minimised, no. And if the section 60 order had not been in force you have to wonder if he would’ve been apprehended at all. But, as you say, it was a separate issue and not responsible for sparking the violence, as the initial reports suggested.

No. It was a boy of 17 who was arrested on suspicion of carrying out the attack. This was a 32 year old man arrested in accordance with the Section 60 order for enhanced stop and search in the area.

The balaclava man appears to be a separate incident yesterday (not the 17yo male who attacked the children).

Apparently he was arrested a street or so away from a peaceful vigil. Some people are saying that was how the riot ended up targeting the mosque - a rumour that this man intended to target the vigil. Others are saying the riot was already at the mosque and the person was only stopped due to stop and search powers heightened due to the riot assembling.

That he was wearing a balaclava is likely to be untrue, no mention of it in the police reports

And the rumours about his motives are speculation.

Merseyside Police have reported 4 men already arrested at the scene of the riots near the mosque, one of those was carrying a bladed knife. That's a police report online in the last hour. Not from random social media accounts.

What if the theme had been Cinderella or Marvel or football - would they repetitively name the theme of the camp then
Yes, I think they would to be honest if only to get a word count in or to give context to where and what was going on and also to show its children are involved.

Wearing balaclavas in public is anything but "up to nothing much" unless it's sub-zero.

Last time I looked, using colloquialisms was permitted when discussing serious matters. It's not like I was posting laughing emojis or cracking jokes.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-balaclava-clad-man-knife-33361943

Hmmph - but still saying “bally” and “guy” implies that this is not a very serious felon. Call me old-fashioned, but I think carrying a flick knife is rather unpleasant to say the least, especially in the light of what had just taken place.

No it doesn't. It just means that I'm using slang.

I could say the same about your use of "dude" as that puts a picture of pizza-munching ninja turtles in my head. Or I could accept that the associations a particular word has for me aren't universal and that the mental image of turtles is a "me" problem.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/police-believe-english-defence-league-29650424