Major Incident at Trump Rally - Shots Fired

[WinterMorn]

Looks like some sort of injury to Trump, likely superficial.

@Mihnjeetah so by your logic me saying it's like a religious rally must mean it's common to take pot shots at people at religious rallies?
It was an observation and it's not at all how it came across.

Is anyone wondering whether the secret service wanted this to happen? The guy was so close and apparently had been spotted by members of the public but still managed to get his shot off. Trump was incredibly lucky that he moved his head at the second he did.

A lot of X comments say that they had to wait until he fired to shoot him 🤔
I cannot see how that is true in the context of him being on a roof with a rifle.

Another US President also was famous for his muddling of words and phrases. There is even a word for it: Bushisms

At least that wasn't age-related cognitive decline though, @bananacreampie; Bush was a drunk and it showed

Like fuck will he, he’ll probably go on stage with his own ‘defensive’ weapon ready to show people why ‘more guns is the answer’

It is just surprising to me that so many people are saying Trump set it up when he was literally a head tilt away from dying or at least being seriously injured.

I'm not saying it's what I believe. I'm not on Twitter or wherever it is that Trump supporters hang out so it was a genuine question whether anyone has seen people suggesting this. It would be worrying if Trump or his supporters believed that this was a state sanctioned attempt with the secret service under orders not to intervene until too late. It's a very worrying thought. I almost hope he wins in November as if he loses then I can see this moment playing a key role in galvanising supporters against the government.

Personally I hope he is naturally incapacitated before November but I think that is unlikely...

@Puzzledandpissedoff

George W Bush definitely muddled things up but it was because he couldn't think on his feet and perhaps a bit dim. However, he wasn't a drunk. He has been sober since 1986.

Because if he hadn't fired the gun, shooting him would have been illegal.

That's a ridiculous take. The Democrats beat Mitt Romney resoundingly. How is it that they destroyed him? The parties are responsible for selecting their own candidates. If the Republican Party was of a mind to stand behind centrist like Mitt Romney, instead of right wing extremists, he'd be front and centre now.

Also, to be fair, Trump did not win the popular vote, either time he ran.

Could you give some examples of hatred and misinformation spread by mainstream media?

@timenowplease I wouldn’t bother to respond unless you want to be insulted, know it all types will never listen to anyone but themselves. My god it’s been decades of dealing with this type now, starting with around my own family dinner table.

Which works great until at this event two groups disagreed ignored the carefully crafted risk assessment by event management. 🤷

I started following the New York post on FB earlier mainly because it's not behind a pay wall.

The majority of the posts were reasonable expressing shock and sorrow no matter their political beliefs. But there's some nuts posting under their own names on there too.

There are such things as Rules of Engagement to consider... which become even more restrictive when dealing with a public event and a large number of civilians.

Then I’d say that the H&S event hierarchy hadn’t been properly established and/or followed. Because that’s exactly the type of event where it should be established who calls the show stop and initiates emergency response.

You didn't say you'd been in shootings. You said I was "bold" in thinking that you probably hadn't.

Say what you actually mean!

*Deleted because I responded to wrong post.

The coverage of the situation in Gaza. MSM using press releases from Hamas and reporting them verbatim then having to apologise later when it's proved it's completely fabricated. Situation in Ukraine. Covid. I could go on.

Really? When there's an ex/future President on a rally, with many members of the public, and some random is ON A ROOF POINTING A RIFLE AT THEM, they have to wait until he shoots before they can shoot? SERIOUSLY?? Are the rules different in USA than UK?

If King Charles or Keir Starmer was in public and someone pointed a rifle at them, they would NOT have to wait until a shot was fired before they could shoot back!

Hmm, are you able think of a time when shootings in Northern Ireland weren’t quite so rare?

"British" includes Northern Irish, Scots, Welsh, and English people. An average across all those demographics wouldn't be as high as an average across NI alone.

Are you seriously suggesting that, even at the height of The Troubles, the shootings-in-public rate in NI would take the whole of the UK to a higher level per year per million people than the US? Considering the school shootings, theatre shootings, mall shootings, Isla Vista, etc?

And none of this quibbling over statistics alters the fact that someone panicking won't always run and decades of research into trauma psychology back that up.