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Major Incident at Trump Rally - Shots Fired

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WinterMorn · 13/07/2024 23:26

Looks like some sort of injury to Trump, likely superficial.

Major Incident at Trump Rally - Shots Fired
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timenowplease · 14/07/2024 14:08

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 14:04

No and we need to focus on the widespread mental health crisis among young men that is at the root of this type of gun violence.

What about the hatred and miss-information spread by mainstream media?

Judging by the unhinged comments by the anti-Trump posters in this thread that would seem to be more culpable.

justasking111 · 14/07/2024 14:08

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 14:04

No and we need to focus on the widespread mental health crisis among young men that is at the root of this type of gun violence.

They need to look at the parents who have easily accessible weapons that their kids grab.

An ar15 shouldn't be sold to anyone let alone a twenty year old.

ReadyTeddy1000 · 14/07/2024 14:11

It is fascinating that there are almost no comments on X which condemn guns - they are all questioning how the SS reacted to it and how he got on the roof and how can this happen?!

Mihnjeetah · 14/07/2024 14:16

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Biggleslefae · 14/07/2024 14:16

I think things could get very weird from now on, at the very least Trump will be campaigning from the inside of a bulletproof cage of some kind.

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 14:27

MaidOfAle · 14/07/2024 12:35

You cannot know how you'd behave in a life-threatening situation like a shooting until it happens. The panic response is one or more of fight, flight, fawn, freeze, flop, so these people probably froze. It can also take the brain a little while to catch up with what's happening, so they may have been slow to react.

This armchair "well I'd have done X" commentary really annoys me because it's rooted in utter ignorance of how panic works.

How bold of you to assume I haven't been in shootings.

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 14:41

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Or because many of us have grown up around guns, own guns now, now endless people that also own guns from all walks of life and yet never participated in nor witnessed any gun violence.

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 14:41

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 14:27

How bold of you to assume I haven't been in shootings.

Care to share the video so we can decide if your reaction makes sense to us then?

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 14:47

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 14:41

Care to share the video so we can decide if your reaction makes sense to us then?

Unfortunately there are no videos from those times, but I can tell you how people reacted. When bullets started flying they got the fuck out of the way. No one just stood there and watched (or continued to hold their phones up recording).

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 14:58

Can you imagine that these people had a different experience than you and may not have known exactly what was happening?

I don’t even understand the point you are trying to make anyway.

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 15:00

Don't worry about it. I wasn't talking to you.

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 15:07

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 14:47

Unfortunately there are no videos from those times, but I can tell you how people reacted. When bullets started flying they got the fuck out of the way. No one just stood there and watched (or continued to hold their phones up recording).

It’s a shame if you lack empathy for other experiencing a similar situation.

medianewbie · 14/07/2024 15:08

justasking111 · 14/07/2024 13:46

The one you were talking about re the stands. I've done risk assessments for a charity. They can be paralysing

I was right there when the 1st stand collapsed. The Trooping continued whilst the Army & Police argued who had jurisdiction as the St Johns Ambulance & the public were helping those injured (the Police wanted the public cleared, the Army wanted to go on with the show). When the 2nd area of the stands collapsed the Police 'won' The clearance was fairly chaotic too.
It had no sense of following A Plan (even an evolving one). That rattled me.

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 15:09

Beyond the lack of empathy, you seem to think you were hovering over the entire place therefore able to detail exactly how everyone else around reacted. If you were running, you can’t possibly have seen, never mind absorbed the behavior of everyone else.

MaidOfAle · 14/07/2024 15:33

AliceOlive · 14/07/2024 14:04

No and we need to focus on the widespread mental health crisis among young men that is at the root of this type of gun violence.

That "mental health crisis" is just common-or-garden male entitlement complex: the belief they have that they should always get what they want.

MaidOfAle · 14/07/2024 15:34

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 14:27

How bold of you to assume I haven't been in shootings.

If you're British, like most posters on this site, it's highly unlikely that you will have been.

Nameaftermyheart · 14/07/2024 15:38

Rosscameasdoody · 14/07/2024 13:21

He’s a rapist he deserves what he gets in my opinion. I don’t know how the horrible feral scally ever got to the position he has.

By being a ruthless businessman who has undoubtedly trampled over many a rival by fair means or foul. Something he’s carried over into his political career. My own reasons for despising him are many and varied, but that doesn’t mean I want to see him (or anyone else for that matter) get shot. There’s a difference between justice and vengeance

I am not you. And that’s okay. Look at you on here judging me for having my beliefs, yet trump is on the world stage everyday being hateful and targeting women and disabled people etc.

I don’t understand the shock from some, that people would want to see his demise. I’m surprised the higher ups in government haven’t already taken him out because he’s a liability.

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 15:42

MaidOfAle · 14/07/2024 15:34

If you're British, like most posters on this site, it's highly unlikely that you will have been.

Why is that? Or do you mean English when you say British?

Nameaftermyheart · 14/07/2024 15:42

Rosscameasdoody · 14/07/2024 13:21

He’s a rapist he deserves what he gets in my opinion. I don’t know how the horrible feral scally ever got to the position he has.

By being a ruthless businessman who has undoubtedly trampled over many a rival by fair means or foul. Something he’s carried over into his political career. My own reasons for despising him are many and varied, but that doesn’t mean I want to see him (or anyone else for that matter) get shot. There’s a difference between justice and vengeance

Also I’m a staunch labour voter and detest Tories and although Boris was an idiot i wouldn’t of wished him physical harm, trump on the other hand is a dangerous man.

MaidOfAle · 14/07/2024 16:20

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 15:42

Why is that? Or do you mean English when you say British?

Even in Northern Ireland, the prevalence of firearms ownership is far lower than in the USA and shootings at public events, whilst more common than on the island of Great Britain, are still relatively rare.

SabrinaThwaite · 14/07/2024 16:32

medianewbie · 14/07/2024 15:08

I was right there when the 1st stand collapsed. The Trooping continued whilst the Army & Police argued who had jurisdiction as the St Johns Ambulance & the public were helping those injured (the Police wanted the public cleared, the Army wanted to go on with the show). When the 2nd area of the stands collapsed the Police 'won' The clearance was fairly chaotic too.
It had no sense of following A Plan (even an evolving one). That rattled me.

That’s a failure in both risk assessment and event management then - temporary structures present particular risks that should be specifically addressed in the RA, and the event management plan and emergency procedures should clearly define who is in charge if an incident occurs.

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 16:35

MaidOfAle · 14/07/2024 16:20

Even in Northern Ireland, the prevalence of firearms ownership is far lower than in the USA and shootings at public events, whilst more common than on the island of Great Britain, are still relatively rare.

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You're talking about legal firearms ownership. Believe me, there were plenty of illegally owned firearms being shot in the 80s and 90s in NI. You may have heard of a little thing called The Troubles?

MaidOfAle · 14/07/2024 16:43

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 16:35

You're talking about legal firearms ownership. Believe me, there were plenty of illegally owned firearms being shot in the 80s and 90s in NI. You may have heard of a little thing called The Troubles?

I have indeed. Got a cousin over there who's currently a bit pissed off because it's marching season and is worried because Brexit has made everything a bit less settled and brought the old problems nearer to the surface.

None of that alters my points that:

  • Brits on average, including Northern Irish, Scots, Welsh, and the despised English, are less likely to face a shooting than USians.
  • No matter what the hazardous situation, people will panic and that doesn't always look like fleeing.

If people reliably kept their heads in crises, we wouldn't need fire drills.

medianewbie · 14/07/2024 16:46

@SabrinaThwaite that's interesting, thank you for that information.

HollyKnight · 14/07/2024 16:50

MaidOfAle · 14/07/2024 16:43

I have indeed. Got a cousin over there who's currently a bit pissed off because it's marching season and is worried because Brexit has made everything a bit less settled and brought the old problems nearer to the surface.

None of that alters my points that:

  • Brits on average, including Northern Irish, Scots, Welsh, and the despised English, are less likely to face a shooting than USians.
  • No matter what the hazardous situation, people will panic and that doesn't always look like fleeing.

If people reliably kept their heads in crises, we wouldn't need fire drills.

Brits on average, including Northern Irish, Scots, Welsh, and the despised English, are less likely to face a shooting than USians.

You, in response to me saying I have been in shootings, said, "If you're British, like most posters on this site, it's highly unlikely that you will have been." You are wrong. Northern Irish people who grew up in certain areas of Belfast in the 80s and 90s have experienced plenty of shootings and bombings.