OK-Join me in a "Who will lose their job first?" poll

[CurlewKate]

And how soon" competition.

My money's on David Lammy by February.

Yes. As I said, he’s wrong. It’s people saying he’s dogmatic about it I criticised. He said something wrong. In fact it appears that in his parliamentary career of over 20 years he’s said two wrong things (I assume this because people always raise the same two). Calamity! How stupid to be wrong twice this century.

Interesting that you talk about ‘dumbing down’ when you use ‘of’ instead of ‘have’

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Exactly. It was a ridiculous and misogynistic thing to say

If that's what you want to call them, knock yourself out!

Lammy got more than 50% of the votes cast in his constituency

That’s terrifically interesting. But what relevance does it have?

Quite a lot for all the people whining about him on here.

Even though they hate him the majority of his constituents think the opposite

Exactly. It was a ridiculous and misogynistic thing to say

It was but I don't think anyone has ever lost their job for that.

I do think he will be a poor senior statesman but as he is representing the UK I will be content to be proven wrong.

Events usually undo politicians and it's hard to say where they will fall.

I feel sure the current Labour government would not survive such an election, given its failure to hate trans women enough.

Yeah good on him for that but he thinks biological males can grow a cervix so whatever his academic qualifications I still think he's pretty thick.

Odd that she stood for Deputy Leader when she had an opportunity to try for leader then, don’t you think?
On what basis do you think she ‘clearly’ wants to be leader?

Except, as has been pointed out, that isn’t what he said. Now who looks a bit thick?

I used to like Rayner but the more I’ve seen of her over the years the more I see that she’s just a puppet on a string being told what to say and do. She’s out of her depth. I can’t stand Miliband or Lammy.

She didn’t stand. She was elected by Labour Party members including myself.

We think she’s great. Fantastic for pissing off Tory voters.

Lammy obviously didn't do biology at Harvard

Gosh, no one has mentioned that yet!

Plus he didn't say that. He basically got some of his terminology mixed up when trying to describe the surgery some trans women have. Daft mistake but then lots of people probably don't have a clear idea of what exactly is involved.

Except that it's been pointed out multiple times in this thread that he didn't say that at all.

I feel sure the current Labour government would not survive such an election, given its failure to hate trans women enough.

I don't hate trans women.
Saying trans women aren't biological women doesn't mean I hate them.

I simply believe in biology and that the biological differences between men and women aren't erased just because you identify as a women.

No he did law. But it was at Harvard…..

Not really. Labour governments have to be twice as competent as a Tory government to be considered competent. At least.

A lot like women have to be twice as good as men to be considered good.

As for Lammy, I doubt he actually thought Marie Antoinette invented radium, he probably knew Marie Curie discovered it and just mixed up the names.

You might not hate trans women, but some posters do.

You might not hate trans women, but some posters do.
I can only speak for myself ......

I think some on MN find it disconcerting that someone can do so well without the trappings they consider essential to success, especially formal education.

I'm a big fan of education, I'm a university lecturer and I think education opens so many doors but I don't think it's the only way to success, just the easiest one.

Here's a woman who had a baby as a teenager, left school without any qualifications, speaks with the "wrong" regional accent (all accents are regional but some people seem to forget that!) and she's risen to Deputy Prime Minister. Some seem unhappy that she hadn't done that the conventional way, and doesn't try to hide where she came from.

Yes. I know. I’m a Labour member and I saw her speak at hustings. She’s fab. She stood for deputy not leader, as I said. Odd behaviour if she wanted to be leader.