Why conservative voters handle election outcomes better than Labour voters

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It's been 14 years since Labour and Remainers have won a large vote, but you wouldn't know it. Every panel show seems determined to tell Conservative and Brexit voters how stupid they are, as if those doing the bashing are the majority. For instance, shows like BBC's Question Time and Have I Got News For You have often featured heated debates where Conservative and Brexit supporters are frequently criticised.

Now that they’ve actually won a vote, the annoyance will surely be even louder. In the 2019 general election, the Conservatives won a significant majority, securing 365 seats compared to Labour's 202. Similarly, the 2016 Brexit referendum saw 52% of voters choosing to leave the EU, yet the aftermath was marked by continuous debates and criticisms from Remain supporters.

I can't see Conservative voters taking the same stance as Labour voters have for years and telling their opposition how stupid they are.

I guess Conservative voters must be the bigger people.

A large part of Tory campaign was ‘but Labour’ - Gullis expands this into chai drinking, avocado eating, lefties - it is a tad offensive and seems designed to be so.
I have in real life been called a bleeding heart who hasn’t grown up enough to recognise that not being Tory is ridiculous- in front of my parents’ migrant carers who were being asked why they were here! Still I was previously shouted at and educated (as I was being immature and stupid) by my normally tolerant and nice family for very vaguely criticising Boris.
I do however dislike the divide and vitriol from all sides - we should be able to debate with some good humour - personally I think the extreme parties or more extreme members of any party are stoking the hatred between people for their own ends - divide and conquer- this is not how it should be.

Why do Tory supporters always assume that anyone who voted Labour is an extremely left wing militant?

I am under no illusion that a Labour government is a magic bullet but I, like most of the country (it seems), feel that it is time for a change. I think that most people voted tactically to boot the Tories out.

I voted Labour for the first time because our local Labour candidate was he far the best option. Our Tory MP has an abysmal voting record and has underperformed as our local representative in parliament. I am not a Tory voter BTW because I don't agree with their idealogies.

Post Brexit, I was told by a Brexit voter that because I disagreed with him I should buy myself a massive coffin, as he wanted to call me fat as well as threaten to murder me. There was plenty of that. In your victory you probably didn’t see stuff like that.

I also recall being called a ‘citizen of nowhere’ by the PM at the time because I voted Remain. That rankled me, because us Remain voters didn’t want to see an act of national self harm, because we care about our country.

So no, I think your post conveniently forgets just how vitriolic it got towards Remain voters after the Leave vote won. We’re still quite pressurised not to talk about it, and how disastrous it’s been.

I can't see Conservative voters taking the same stance as Labour voters have for years and telling their opposition how stupid they are

Have you not seen the right wing press?

If they're not questioning the legitimacy of the new government by wittering on about vote share, they're bemoaning the woke, or handwringing that the world is about to end.

Aren't the conservatives still loudly blaming the state of the country on the last labour government?

@summershere99 not all Tories are individualistic but they do tend to believe in personal accountability more.
Personally, I believe everyone should get help if and when they need it but people need to help themselves.
As an example, providing interpreters in the nhs and public services. I'm not saying it shouldn't be available when there's a genuine need but to have it easily accessible has been detrimental for the progress of immigrant communities, especially the women. If services like that weren't easily accessible, then they'd be pressured to learn English. Which would be a huge benefit to them and help them to integrate.

I do believe that hard work pays because this is what I've seen all my life. But I also believe in good free education for all and fairer pay for all. Wages are far too low and propped up by benefits. The fact that some working people need access to benefits and a foodbank is a shameful reflection on our society.

Im not embarrassed about my beliefs but people will jump to conclusions about my beliefs.

You're probably right OP. I remember the protest the day after the 2019 election when a very posh young woman apparently training to be a doctor felt it ethically appropriate to screech into news cameras about how she wanted Boris Johnson to die in agony.

the loony left aren't called that for no reason! 🤣

Labour is more of a replacement religion, conservative is just a way of governing.

I think that's why

What were you saying, OP?

I can't see Conservative voters taking the same stance as Labour voters have for years and telling their opposition how stupid they are.

@hidinginplainsight2 I hope this thread has helped!

I was considering something on these lines this morning. I am previous Labour Party voter. I left
London about 10 years ago. I have voted conservative at the last 2 general elections. I voted to remain in the EU as I thought it best we remain in order to be at the table for much needed reform. I then changed my mind and now support our withdrawal.

I am shocked and saddened by the vitriol, anger and projected hatred of some of the voices of Labour Party supporters (David Tennants recent comments make me sad, irrespective of the issue), some remainers and one senior Labour MP - ‘scum’. I understand their desire for change which they feel will come about as a result of having a Labour government and I am pleased for them.

I hope that now we have a Labour government, its supporters show some moderation.

Is this thread for real?

So ‘lefties’ and Remoaners is the biggest insult you heard from the right? I’m a remoaner and am not desperately insulted by the word. I’m at times a lefty- that’s hardly a massive insult.

In contrast we have fuck the tories, Tory cunts and a whole host of generally assuming right leaning voters are selfish rich fuckers.

There really aren’t that many selfish rich fuckers. As in, numerically the vast majority of people aren’t rich. If those voting Tory were only selfish rich fucjers they’d never ever get in.

They are actually ordinary people, tradesmen, working class people, ordinary folk.

I’ll hold my hands up. I’ve probably called the Tories similar names. However, I’ve been talking about the Tory government, not Tory voters. They are rich, selfish fuckers and we’re justified in saying “Fuck them”.

This rings true for me. Though there are some true blue voters who feel similarly perhaps.

I don't think politics should be an identity, or a tribe. It should be a decision made on the basis of policy and philosophy.

Obviously there are nasty bastards on both sides- the skinheads, the bigots etc. But the ordinary people who generally don't go round swearing at other people are happy to call tories fucking scum , while their counterparts on the left seem to be more inclined to hyperbole like 'oh God! Watch our taxes go up! They think they've got a magic money tree, that lot!'.

I mean, that's pretty mild.

I don't really recognise what you are saying from what I have seen. The interview with Starmer was very measured and polite to Rishi. Of course Labour voters (and a lot of others) will be celebrating that the Tories have lost.

Some of them are. I can see that levelled at Rishi and Boris, ok.

But Lee Anderson? I don't think so.
Tom Randall my other local Tory went to the comp here, and to Oxford Poly.
Ben Bradley parents were professional - civil service and police, went to a local independent school but worked as gardener, in bars, shelf stacking etc
Mark Spencer went to the local comps too. Parents were farmers.

That's all my local tories. Not a knob among them. Not a trust fund, all working people.

Indeed.

Thread after thread with dramatic, scaremongering titles. Before the election and after.

I was impressed by Sunak's speech. He was clearly putting country above party and affirming the process of democracy.

What is shocking is the fact he had to do this because of the growing tendency for extremists to attempt to delegitimate elections and democracy.

I don't mean wearing a T-shirt saying "Not in my name" or protesting about policies of an incoming government.

I mean storming the US Capitol to try to prevent the counting of votes; or proroguing parliament to try to simply ditch parliamentary democracy.

Sunak made his speech because there are people out there who needed telling – including much of the right-wing press.

Conservatives respect democracy because they understand that capitalism and democracy are intertwined. Democracy can't function without capitalism and vice versa.

The only thing that will tear the two apart is enormous wealth inequality causing people to lose faith in democracy. Then when democracy crumbles I don't know what you have. Unfettered capitalism? Totalitarianism? So retaining faith in democracy is key.

mybeesarealive · Today 08:55
OP have you seen the nonsense coming out of the Telegraph? You'd think the centrist Labour government we now have was planning for a radical left communist utopia. I wouldn't say they are taking it well”

Absolutely this.

This will be a better country in 5 years. Better still after a second term.

Yes, Allister Heath rant in the Telegraph is... quite something.

I hope you enjoy horror films, dear readers, for British politics is about to be turned into an infernal, soul-destroying hellscape worthy of the sickest of Hollywood minds. [...] Left-wing stormtroopers [...] etc etc.

Archived and unpaywalled version of Heath "being the bigger person"...
archive.ph/2024.07.03-224711/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/03/uk-to-enter-nightmare-much-darker-than-anyone-realises/#selection-3081.272-3081.296

Oh dear op
I believe the accepted response to this is "you lost, get over it"

Thread of MNers "being the bigger person"...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/general-election-2024/5112699-where-is-angela-rayner?page=12

(I know @KeirSpoutsTwaddle doesn't need notifying of this thread, because she's on it. But others might have missed this particular example of, ahem, decorum and grace in defeat.)

I am from a poor background and will never be financially comfortable. So having the Tories in power makes me worried and stressed, so may have been vocal at times over the last decade or so. I'm sure plenty of people on low wages or who are disabled feel the same. Yet all Conservative voters have to worry about if Labour get in, is maybe paying a bit more on their high wages.

This labour government are more centrest, hardly a bunch of lefties. So I'm hoping they appeal to more people and have a balanced approach. Only time will tell.