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General election 2024

Where is Angela Rayner?

477 replies

Pigeonqueen · 05/07/2024 13:43

So vocal and present during the campaign and haven’t seen her anywhere at all today 🤷‍♀️😳… just being nosey. 🤔

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AmelieTaylor · 06/07/2024 01:00

SkippysEar · 05/07/2024 22:55

Without those quals what can you realistically do in the world of work? Maybe the care industry has no entry requirements but that's an exception to the rule. And thats not me being arsey, its the culture we live in and what almost all employers specify.

@SkippysEar

which has precisely nothing to do with AR being successful.

What has today's criteria got to do with AR early work life 20 years ago??

AmelieTaylor · 06/07/2024 01:07

U53rName · 05/07/2024 23:40

My preference is none of the above. I prefer someone who stayed in school, worked their socks off, got their qualifications, and went on to get a degree at university. give me a Lisa Nandy or a David Lammy every time.

@U53rName

why?

AmelieTaylor · 06/07/2024 01:12

9GreenBottles · 05/07/2024 23:44

Nothing to do with her class, education, accent, dress sense or anything else that may have been mentioned but due to her stance on transwomen being women. I have responded to clarify this earlier in the thread but it was a few pages back.

The interview in this thread didn’t make me change my mind about her compared to other politicians who appeared to soften their stance, certainly during the election campaign. After the attempt to oust her as party chair a few years ago resulted in her promotion to deputy leader, I imagine she is a real political hustler (or has something on Keir Starmer 🙂) and she’ll be after his job now. Since I believe sex is more important than gender identity, I think she’s dangerous and it would have been better if she hadn’t been re-elected.

However, having seen the new cabinet, I still have serious misgivings about what direction women’s rights will go.

@9GreenBottles thank you for your reply. I'd missed that. I'll have a read of the other thread in the morning. It seems like I'm going to be disappointed in her, but hopefully it's something we can work on as she seems like a decent person who will listen & give thought to things 🤞🏼

SnowFrogJelly · 06/07/2024 01:21

She was on a he news dressed Asa daffodil

Jellycatspyjamas · 06/07/2024 05:47

*Not to mention her outfits. The number of times I've seen her sitting in parliament with her tits hanging out as if she's going to Magaluf. Hardly appropriate.

We already have a bad enough reputation without wheeling her out.*

In the name of the wee man… You’re right, she should be in a habit and wimple.

What’s embarrassing is the people here who can’t accept achievement if it doesn’t take a traditional form, who can’t accept someone who doesn’t speak the way they think they should, who can’t recognise that many people simply don’t have the opportunity to go through school and university, who think the way a woman dresses affects her competence.

Is the problem that she got pregnant young - are we judging her for something that happened decades ago? Maybe some here would have preferred her to have an abortion so she continue with school, university etc.

Boris hid in a fucking fridge, lied to the Queen, and could barely string an articulate sentence together, Liz Truss had the communication skills of a 5 year old. Rishi Sunak couldn’t understand the most basic of international convention and courtesy. The “establishment” has hardly served us well much less minimised our national embarrassment.

Maybe the issue is that some people just can’t bear the idea that a working class woman, with a young pregnancy and a chaotic upbringing has the audacity to take a place in government. She should know her place and stay there. Funny how we want equality of opportunity, but only for those we deem deserving, and who will fit the mould we think they should.

She’s an absolute inspiration for every young person whose life chances are impacted by adversity, who don’t have the stability and security so many here take for granted and who need examples of how you can succeed despite a very challenging start in life.

U53rName · 06/07/2024 06:36

Why are so many alleging that we believe that Boris is the gold standard? He’s a fucking buffoon. I could go on and on about why he’s unfit for office. Both can be true…both Boris and Angela are unfit for office. Nothing to do with sexism or accent.

LuluBlakey1 · 06/07/2024 07:12

The utter snobbery and absolute misogyny in many comments on this thread are disgusting- directed at a successful woman, our new Deputy Prime Minister, and made by other women.

It's the nastiest, most sneering thread I have come across on Mnet.

H34th · 06/07/2024 07:24

It's the nastiest, most sneering thread I have come across on Mnet. @LuluBlakey1

Agreed. I actually think Mumsnet should delete it.

LuluBlakey1 · 06/07/2024 07:28

H34th · 06/07/2024 07:24

It's the nastiest, most sneering thread I have come across on Mnet. @LuluBlakey1

Agreed. I actually think Mumsnet should delete it.

Me too. It is full of personal attacks on her and certainly falls well outside on the Mnet 'code of conduct'. I have reported it but we'll see. Perhaps it should remain as an example illustrating what so many Mnetters really are- snobs, Tories and women haters.

CelesteCunningham · 06/07/2024 07:50

It's among the worst I've seen too but I think it should stand. Don't delete the proof that MN isn't the feminist haven many of its users like to think it is.

CelesteCunningham · 06/07/2024 07:54

If Kier is taken ill, AR could be PM! She would be a total embarrassment on the international stage IMO.

She wouldn't. The rest of the world doesn't have the same social mores as the UK. Internationally both Angela Rayner and Kate Middleton just have "British" accents, the difference isn't noted or interpreted in the same way outside the UK. Likewise, in many societies her background would be seen as making her success more impressive rather than something to judge her for.

I think she'd be a great representative.

CelesteCunningham · 06/07/2024 07:57

U53rName · 05/07/2024 23:40

My preference is none of the above. I prefer someone who stayed in school, worked their socks off, got their qualifications, and went on to get a degree at university. give me a Lisa Nandy or a David Lammy every time.

But what do you think happens once someone doesn't stay in school, for whatever reason? Rayner had a baby and needed to pay the bills, I doubt she could afford to be in full-time education even if she wanted to be.

Does that mean any hope of her succeeding should have been over at 18?

Like I said, I'm a big fan of formal education and school and university are what I hope for my own children (for now, they're too young to judge if that will be the right path for them) but it's Route A and in most cases the easiest route. Good on anyone who does well on another route.

Calling · 06/07/2024 08:00

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 05/07/2024 14:14

Which leads me to wonder, how does Laura Kuenssberg keep going? She was there when I went to bed in the early hours, she was outside No. 10 when I got up, different outfit, looking fresh as a daisy.

Caffeine? Adrenalin? Its remarkable how she does it. I like her.

Crushedcandy · 06/07/2024 08:03

If you think this thread is bad have a look at the one that’s been running on Gransnet since last night 🙈

LaughingElderberry · 06/07/2024 08:44

U53rName · 05/07/2024 23:07

There are people ‘from grinding poverty’ with degrees, you know…

Yeees. But I'd worked on the basis that this went without saying. Clearly not!

If you have been born and raised in grinding poverty, you are far less likely to go to university and gain a degree. It's not impossible, but the children who do are fewer in number because they face barriers to access than children who aren't living in poverty. The social mobility commission has plenty of data on the impact of poverty on a child's likelihood to complete secondary school, and go on to higher education.

LaughingElderberry · 06/07/2024 08:53

Germanpassport · 05/07/2024 22:40

@LaughingElderberry u
That's interesting, so what will she do to help the 16 year olds failed by our education system struggling to re sit maths and English? Who ar? e going to be locked out of everything unlike her

Barriers to opportunity is a key pledge in Labour's manifesto, and the breakdown of this talks about reform in education including increasing teaching staff. Alongside Deputy PM she's also been given the brief for levelling-up so she's a good person to ask about this - why not contact her?

BulldogSpirit · 06/07/2024 08:56

PickAChew · 05/07/2024 17:27

Before long he will be getting his rodents muddled and people will have to gently suggest to him that it might be time to retire.

Said in my best Ian Blackford voice:

Resign, Prime Minister's cat!

LaughingElderberry · 06/07/2024 09:03

Anyway, I'm going to duck out of this one now. It was interesting, but the latter stages of this thread are peppered with nasty comments about what people look like. Which is rude, unnecessary, and provides a rather unpleasant insight into the values and personality of the people who think it's acceptable to behave like this.

LizzieW1969 · 06/07/2024 09:33

rumnraisins · 05/07/2024 23:45

I think she’s being judged because many view her as arrogant, opportunistic and a bit of a grifter. And the council house stuff did her no favours.

I’m no fan of John Major but he wasn’t as abrasive as she is.

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I agree that AR is abrasive and I didn't like her ‘Tory scum’ comment despite not liking the Tories myself. But if it's really about not liking her abrasiveness why not just focus on that rather than on her lack of education or the way she talks? Or the way she dresses for that matter?

rumnraisins · 06/07/2024 11:55

LizzieW1969 · 06/07/2024 09:33

I agree that AR is abrasive and I didn't like her ‘Tory scum’ comment despite not liking the Tories myself. But if it's really about not liking her abrasiveness why not just focus on that rather than on her lack of education or the way she talks? Or the way she dresses for that matter?

Yes, I agree. The problem is, in my personal opinion, she does behave like a stereotype sometimes. Personally I think she does this on purpose to get a reaction she can then use to her own advantage.

But I agree. I’d find her equally off putting if she had a PhD and dressed like Jackie Kennedy.

HaydaSalami · 06/07/2024 11:56

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HellonHeels · 06/07/2024 11:59

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 05/07/2024 14:14

Which leads me to wonder, how does Laura Kuenssberg keep going? She was there when I went to bed in the early hours, she was outside No. 10 when I got up, different outfit, looking fresh as a daisy.

Chemical assistance?

A lot of coffee?

Yoga and meditation?

CelesteCunningham · 06/07/2024 12:04

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Less educated than a shelf stacker (so much wrapped up in that comment, but anyway) does not automatically mean less suitable to be Deputy Prime Minister.

HaydaSalami · 06/07/2024 12:08

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MotherFeministWoman · 06/07/2024 12:42

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Which is why I voted for Labour. They are not crashing snobs who lock people out of power because they don't have the right background.