Why conservative voters handle election outcomes better than Labour voters

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It's been 14 years since Labour and Remainers have won a large vote, but you wouldn't know it. Every panel show seems determined to tell Conservative and Brexit voters how stupid they are, as if those doing the bashing are the majority. For instance, shows like BBC's Question Time and Have I Got News For You have often featured heated debates where Conservative and Brexit supporters are frequently criticised.

Now that they’ve actually won a vote, the annoyance will surely be even louder. In the 2019 general election, the Conservatives won a significant majority, securing 365 seats compared to Labour's 202. Similarly, the 2016 Brexit referendum saw 52% of voters choosing to leave the EU, yet the aftermath was marked by continuous debates and criticisms from Remain supporters.

I can't see Conservative voters taking the same stance as Labour voters have for years and telling their opposition how stupid they are.

I guess Conservative voters must be the bigger people.

Have you missed the countless posts where we are called the 'looney lefties'?

Probably because they’ll get their wondow bashed in or yelled at. I’m saying this as someone who has voted Labour at different points. I still remember that guy spitting on conservatives and shouting scum at them during party conferences. I mean thats just disgusting behaviour.

I guess Conservative voters must be the bigger people.

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I would think it's because Conservatives have less to lose even if Labour are in power, the rich always find ways to protect their money. Conversely, it's incredibly difficult not to be angry at a Tory party that has spent it's time in office demonising disabled and mentally unwell people. Bringing in policies, enacted by the DWP, that have led to people starving to death or committing suicide. See the case of Errol Graham as one such tragic and utterly preventable example.

I'm neither a tory nor a labour supporter so don't have a dog in this fight.

But the simplistic perception of the tory party from those on the left is that it's the party that prioritises the interests of the strong and rich and powerful over the needs of the vulnerable and disadvantaged. And if that's your perception then tories should always have the piss taken out of them as much as possible whether or not they are in power because comedy is one of the chief means by which such attitudes can be challenged.

Meanwhile the simplistic perception of the labour party from those on the right is that it's a party of control and the nanny state, intent on facilitating people to embed themselves in dependency and failong to try to better themselves. Comedy, although right-wing comedians exist, simply isn't as important a part of the toolbox against those attitudes.

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@RampantIvy

I don't think I'm wealthy

I do own my own property with the bank

But I don't have a fancy car, I am not working so I can look after my daughter and I'm pregnant with our second. We live in a small 2 bed terrace and can't afford anything bigger. We are a 1 income house hold, my partner earns £38K

Admittedly I am not poor, I am very fortunate compared to a lot of people, but I certainly would describe me as wealthy, but I vote conservative because I agree with a lot of their politics.

What's your situation out of interest? Are you wealthy? I presume you are a labour voter

And it wasn’t disgusting behaviour to watch porn in the Hoc? Or accuse Angela Raynor of opening her legs?

Yes I've had lots of left friends and they know I vote conservative but will openly put things on social media about how your stupid/selfish/evil/racist if you vote conservative

Never said that to my face though

Like I said in my previous comment, I'm looking forward to a labour government, I've heard nothing but good things about labour for years and years

I agree OP. I think the Conservatives needed a defeat because it is good to have change and we need to see what Sir Keir can do. The right wing have been gracious in defeat, but what did they expect when the Tories have not delivered.

The thing with the left wing is it includes militants and they are the ones who will be on the streets soon moaning Sir Keir is not leftist enough. This worries me that the fighting and insults will go on, but it wont be the tories, it will be the hard left. Because Sir Keir is more centrist and at times, more tory than the tories.

Just look at France last week with all the hard left on the streets trying to stop democracy! We are not as bad as that!!

You can swear here "fuck the tories"

You don't have to be coy

What about the rants about the loony left, bleeding heart liberalists, woke mob etc

I think there’s also a lot of sexism towards women on the left, I’ve seen alot of nasty comments about AR just on MN - and I’m not speaking about comments about her views and politics but her accent, appearance, clothing.

Speaking as a Guardian reading, woke, remoaner, tofu eating, moaning, member of the wokerati, liberal Lefty, I just want to say:

I hope the language gets toned down over the next few years.

The Right also have militants who don't think the Tory party are to the right enough : see Suella Braverman.

And since you bring in the far left in France trying to prevent democracy from happening, let's look at the US where the president actively incited a riot on the capitol and claimed the election was rigged.

The Tories are sheepish because the result was overwhelming and because they know they have really, really messed up.

If it makes you feel better to post about how you perceive left leaning peoples behaviour to be worse than right leaning people then I hope you feel better OP.

Doesn't mean it’s true though. Come on it’s a big country and plenty of people’s attitudes and behaviour is less than desirable across the political spectrum!

BBC programmes are supposed to be impartial so if you think they are biased then complain to them or watch channels/programmes that fit with your world view.

Yes, more like hysterical.

I agree with this, people need to behave with more tolerance and respect on BOTH sides or we tread a dangerous future path that undermines the democratic process. We have seen a rise in threats and violence to MPs because of their political stance, it’s wholly unacceptable.

Plenty of the #bekind brigade are some of the nastiness people around. A lot just like to virtue signal

Yet those on the right call Labour supporters "Lefties" and EU backers "Remoaners"

You only have to read the comments that come from leading Tories to see that the insults and blame come thick and fast i.e Braverman.

The ire I’ve seen being expressed over the last day is Tories vs Tories or vs Reform as they seek to apportion blame in defeat, that’s hardly magnanimous!

Anyone who voted Tory with their manifesto and record in the last 14 years of corrupt maladministration deserves all the contempt that is heaped on them.

It's not 'sour grapes because they lost' - it's because food has got more and more expensive, queues at airports and poirts have gone up, music and arts performers are have serious difficulty getting work outside the UK (which many of them relied upon heavily), many small business are now unable to operate in the EU, farmers have lost subsidies and many more issues - so yes, that's worth talking about.

I don't think people should keep having a go at ordinary folk who supported Brexit though, as they had many reasons for doing it and divisive invective is unhelpful, but they very much should be angry at those in power who enabled Brexit and keep talking about it because some of them profited very nicely off it while absolutely knowing it would harm most other people.

Fuck the Tories.

I agree. And to be fair, I think both the outgoing, and the incoming PM, made a good start yesterday. They were both very gracious with their speeches.

I hope it went a small way to signalling to international investors that we are back on a firmer footing, and to the general public that we need to aim for more cooperation and inclusion rather than division. The leaders set the tone.

My take on this is (if you think Tory voters are the 'bigger people' ):

Tory voters are, often, embarrassed to admit they voted tory.. therefore to be very vocal about hating labour and what they stand for reveals the truth of their worldview.

Tory policies are usually highly individualistic and feed into people's fear of 'others'. Most believe (and I can presume their voters also believe this) that the state is too big and people just need to work more to improve their lot in life.. just like they did. They're all a bit 'I'm alright Jack'...

By contrast, Labour voters tend to be more passionate and more vocal about issues that affect communities and believe that supporting poorer people, immigrants etc.. benefits everyone (yes I'm generalising but that's broadly where Labour voters stand).

So yes, there is a lot of anger from people who want to live in a fairer and more equal society and who want a government that is focused on serving others and not themselves or their mates but instead we've had to put up with the Tory government running the country into the ground for the last 14 years.

Guess I'm proving your point.