Why conservative voters handle election outcomes better than Labour voters

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It's been 14 years since Labour and Remainers have won a large vote, but you wouldn't know it. Every panel show seems determined to tell Conservative and Brexit voters how stupid they are, as if those doing the bashing are the majority. For instance, shows like BBC's Question Time and Have I Got News For You have often featured heated debates where Conservative and Brexit supporters are frequently criticised.

Now that they’ve actually won a vote, the annoyance will surely be even louder. In the 2019 general election, the Conservatives won a significant majority, securing 365 seats compared to Labour's 202. Similarly, the 2016 Brexit referendum saw 52% of voters choosing to leave the EU, yet the aftermath was marked by continuous debates and criticisms from Remain supporters.

I can't see Conservative voters taking the same stance as Labour voters have for years and telling their opposition how stupid they are.

I guess Conservative voters must be the bigger people.

I think that the fact you've posted this thread at all kind of blows your point out of the water.

Have a little wider read of Mumsnet and see how sour the grapes really are.

It's natural, nobody likes to lose. But we do all get over it in the end.

Democracy can't function without capitalism and vice versa.

Not sure where this idea came from?

I can think of plenty of examples of capitalist countries without proper democracies. South Africa under apartheid, for one.

I mean, it was a democracy in the sense that it had a parliament, but fewer than 20% of the population had a vote, and the same party – which used draconian censorship laws to keep an iron grip on the media – kept power for over 40 years.

The UK didn't have full suffrage until 1928. Pre-1832 there were so few voters for elections to be almost meaningless. Very capitalist; not very democratic.

It's because unfortunately voting on the left is seen as morally superior.
It would be unusual to see a tribal tory wearing wouldn't kiss a socialist "+ but not unusual today see a socialist wearing wouldn't kiss a tory ...

There was a worrying trend coming out of the brexit vote that people are thick and need to re educated ( very stalin esq) and or educational quals should be a requirement of voting. (which would of course preclude some of our current cabinet).

Exactly this. It’s the Tory politicians I despise, not the voters. And even then I can see that some of the politicians have done integrity.

Meh, I've seen a lot more frothing about the unfairness of Labour winning more seats than their share of the vote than I have before.

Also the idea that a large majority ("supermajority") is undemocratic also didn't seem to bother the anyone before and suddenly the right are very bothered by it.

I guess I mean we have had a long stable period. Not necessarily globally.

Which part of this did you perceive as an “attack”?

I said ‘vitriol’. Not people just commenting on a suit. Funny how Boris didn’t attract similar hateful comments.

When 99% of our press is right wing and merrily bashes Labour at every opportunity
(even without a fucking election going on) and the Tories having been in power for most of this century, how the hell can you say it's the other way round?

Labour voters are idealistic. Conservative voters are not. They just want steady administration, and to be left to get on with it. They dont enjoy giving money for nothing . Labour voters are looking for the purple unicorn lifestyle and some kind of social justice.
I imagine most who voted Tory just shrugged yesterday and went about their business. Starmer and sunak are much the same and what hasn't changed is the legions of cs who actually do everything.
I hope to god labour makes huge changes . I am not happy with the way things are and voted accordingly. Look at the world though, uk is in a better position than most .
I am looking forward to the self righteous bullshit to stop in about 1 / 2 yrs.

Labour voters are idealistic. Conservative voters are not. They just want steady administration, and to be left to get on with it.

Well, they haven't had that since 2016, have they? They're more likely to get steady administration under the new government. Let's see what they do. The Tories had 14 years to do their thing and blamed Labour for everything under the sun for much of it. The least their voting public can do is show a little bit of grace and grant the new administration a few years to work.

That might have been the case but current Tory ideology seems to like disaster capitalism, free market economics on steroids. As much upheaval and uncertainty as possible.
And if we are talking about idealism that was the whole schtick of Brexit, sun lit uplands, unicorns, etc. None of it was realistic. Lies even. Farage has not been scrutinised properly. Why isn’t the media calling him out on his outlandish plans ?
The daily Telegraph or the Mail ? Nope, he’s got away with it completely, it’s with the fairies and economically unviable but because it’s so close to a billionaire’s wet dream, they won’t.

I just made the mistake of reading the Daily Mail comments about the press conference. Thousands of awful comments from people who plainly hadn’t listened to a single word he said. So I’m not sure they are taking it better.

In recent years, Conservative Voters don't seem to have been voting for a conservative Conservative Party.

There's nothing small-c conservative about appointing a Leninist to Downing Street.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/09jpSjVUpQ/dominic_cummings_battle_for_downing_street

I say appointing.

It's a bit of a misnomer to describe Johnston as appointing Cummings, because the way Cummings tells it, he expected to be (and was) in charge of putting Johnston in No 10, and of pulling Johnston's strings once in. He's completely open about this in the interview, in which he describes himself going on holiday immediately after the election and coming back to find Johnston & Johnston's own people had – horror – done stuff he disagreed with without him.

Yes, this. Both the the disaster capitalism and the entire failure of large parts of the media to hold anyone to account for the lies around Brexit.

It's Tories and Reform who are still starting threads complaining. Go and have a weekend, ffs.

They are, in fact, biased. Just not in the direction the oh-so-gracious-in-defeat OP thinks

https://theconversation.com/bbc-question-time-analysis-of-guests-over-nine-years-suggests-an-overuse-of-rightwing-voices-232315

Sorry, not sure why one of my links failed. Try again:

Dominic Cummings - The Interview - BBC News Special - 20th July 2021

I’ve counted votes at four elections. At these, I’ve seen a total of two outbursts of temper from candidates/their supporters and both incidents involved Conservatives.

One local election candidate, despite winning her own seat, was visibly upset and angry at the overall result and said some choice words about the voting public in front of quite a few people.

The other incident involved two Conservative observers having a barney in a corridor at the count centre. One was ranting at the other, and a third Tory was trying to calm him down.

So, no, I don’t get the impression that Tories handle election results better. In fairness though, the vast majority of candidates and supporters handle the results with grace and dignity, regardless of which party they belong to.

Erm, he absolutely did. He was constantly ridiculed for his appearance

Only because he looked as though he’d woken up in the fireplace wearing last night’s clothes, then staggered in to work with a hangover.

He quite possibly had, based on the events of the various lockdowns.

Yes they are. More grown up.

Well, what have Tory policies ever done for the ordinary person?

Even RTB has caused the collapse in housing, they wrecked the NHS, schools, justice, helped destabilise Europe, trebled nation debt but with nothing to show for it.

Plenty of leftie slurs, as you ve now proven with your last sentence.

..and yes, most people who voted for Brexit were not well educated..

imho anyone who votes Tory is a selfish xxxx

imho anyone who votes Tory is a selfish xxxx

I'm as left as anything, but what you're saying is just not true. The government we have just booted out wasn't a Conservative government. It was corrupt, performatively cruel, stupid, selfish, venal and utterly deserving of electoral oblivion. The point here is - that was the government, NOT the voters. You have only to go back a couple of decades to see a completely different Conservative party. I disagreed with them because I felt their belief in market forces as a force for good and for all was shockingly naive, but they were good, normal people just like everyone else, wanting to serve their country. I hope to see that form of Conservatism come back.