Why conservative voters handle election outcomes better than Labour voters

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It's been 14 years since Labour and Remainers have won a large vote, but you wouldn't know it. Every panel show seems determined to tell Conservative and Brexit voters how stupid they are, as if those doing the bashing are the majority. For instance, shows like BBC's Question Time and Have I Got News For You have often featured heated debates where Conservative and Brexit supporters are frequently criticised.

Now that they’ve actually won a vote, the annoyance will surely be even louder. In the 2019 general election, the Conservatives won a significant majority, securing 365 seats compared to Labour's 202. Similarly, the 2016 Brexit referendum saw 52% of voters choosing to leave the EU, yet the aftermath was marked by continuous debates and criticisms from Remain supporters.

I can't see Conservative voters taking the same stance as Labour voters have for years and telling their opposition how stupid they are.

I guess Conservative voters must be the bigger people.

I agree

Must be a piss take.
Saying that there’ve been loads of nasty posts about the new government, not even giving them a chance. Quite sad really that people are so cynical. And the AR thread was awful.

The simple act of wanting to put Britain and British people at the front of the queue gets you labelled gammon, bigot etc.

Define "British people".

Because many who hold this view tend to define "British people" as white people who speak English as their first language in a British accent. When in fact, "British people" (inconveniently for them) encompasses all ethnicities.

And the tension between "the simple act of desiring to put British first" and the absolute fact that Britain encompasses a range of ethnicities, usually results in decent British people being told to "go back to where you came from" etc.

When good people cosy up with bigots who hold bigoted views, it can be really hard to tell the good from the gammon.

If you vote reform, or champion the views of someone like Braverman, then you kinda have to accept people might assume that YOU are a bigot because you identify with and endorse the views of those who are clearly bigoted.

Ask Prince Andrew what happens when you uncritically chum up with extremely dodgy people.

That’s cos they are crap.

And the nasty party. This is why people say ‘Fuck the Tories’

Their policies are usually cruel and dehumanising. Rwanda and attacks on disabled to name two. There are many more.

Labour don’t incite this as they tend to have a more caring philosophy.

And fwiw, I’ve woken up the last two days feeling kind of happy and l don’t know why. And now l do. We have a decent government who will look after its country and citizens well rather than letting them fall apart like the Tories did.

So yeah, Fuck the Tories.

Enjoy your happiness. Nothing will change.

Ah yes, the Tories really are the better people.

I think you only have to look at the governments of the last 10 years to see if that is true.

In general Tory voters are not vocal. IE. We KNOW people who vote Labour as they shout it from the rooftops. I've never seen any Tory voter post it on social media for example. Loads of Labour boards outside houses, I think I saw 1 Tory board.

The majority of the electorate believes Brexit to have been a disaster. What is wrong with acknowledging that?

Very much like the independence referendum in Scotland. If you looked at social media, yes was the only acceptable view.

I had to stop looking at social media as it was changing the views I had of work colleagues and friends. It's not that you support independence that upsets me, it's the vitriol displayed towards anyone who even questions what might happen afterwards (other than it being a wonderful utopia).

I might be persuaded if you could answer these things but generally all you get back is 'fuck the English ' much like the anti Tory rhetoric.

I am naturally a labour voter but I really dislikes this campaign. We need politicians prepared to explain the difficult choices or the pros and cons in detail.

Despite the Brexit referendum, no one has ever accurately provided figures in terms of what we paid and what we got in return. I was happy to be in the EU and didn't vote to leave but having gone through it, I wouldn't automatically vote to rejoin. I think the extrapolation of 'you voted for x therefore you want y' is way out. The SNP make a huge deal out of it 'not being our choice ' but there's a massive overlap between leave and yes voters.

Well I can't wait to reap all the benefits of a labour government, all I've heard for years is how evil and stupid conservatives are and how labour are angels where the world would be a better place with them in charge.

Let's see then

@celandiney "So this is a thread for Conservative voters,who are the bigger people and therefore don't spend time telling their opposition how stupid and nasty they are,to tell their opposition how stupid and nasty they are?
Or have I misunderstood?"

Nope. Exactly that.

I would hate to be this miserable and pessimistic.

Another reason to hate the Tories - they have bred an attitude that makes the electorate distrust all politicians.

I too feel hopeful 😊

I disagree. Look at Trump and his supporters. They’re hardly paragons of fair-play and respect.

I think you don’t notice attacks on the left because they’re not directed at you. The bile that left-wing people receive is awful. Of course, they’re all “loony-leftie”, Commie, uneducated, lazy chavs who have no excuses for their poverty. Look at the vitriol directed towards Angela Rayner on here since yesterday, for merely growing up in poverty and having a northern accent.

Another important point is that if a left government win, a person on the right might pay a bit more tax but they’ll still be comfortable. When a right government get in, many working class people end up completely hopeless and destitute. They have far more to fear.

Yeah it will. It changed under Blair.

I was a teacher. It was a golden era in education under Blair. Look at the shambles it is now.

So yeah Fuck the Tories.

And Wes Streeting has issued a statement saying official policy is ‘the NHS is broken’

Who broke it eh?

The general trajectory of a life is that they start off left leaning, some might say idealistic, then as they mature they become more conservative, some might say, grown up

That might explain it, OP.

Whilst I detest any form of bullying or vitriol, and totally agree with you op that debate should be objective and respectful, I think that the behaviour of this last government and the way they behaved, and certain Conservative politicians, Boris Johnson being the main offender, stirred up a lot of frustration and anger in the general public and in those who are politically engaged.

Owing to Conservative lies and their asset-stripping of the country, their corruption, their hollow promises, and Johnson using an important issue like Brexit as simply a means to promote his own career, which he then proceeded to play as a game without values, integrity, or any idea of service to the country, I think people have become justifiably angry and upset.

We saw it in yesterday’s election how fundamental social inequalities, lack of decent public services, lack of opportunities for the young, how not having a sense that you have any control over your own life circumstances, make people opt for more “vitriolic” ideologies in the shape of Reform, which are very black and white and extreme, divisive, and lacking in nuance, or respect for consensus.

Contrary to your argument op, many of the televised Brexit debate that I watched, sorry to say, but as a very general observation, it was the opposite of what you are describing, and it was the Brexiteers who were heckling and insulting, and Remainers who were trying to maintain a degree of civility.

Another factor is that our leaders and those who should know better, have set a very poor example, and as a result we have lost faith in our institutions which makes everyone feel more insecure, frustrated, and powerless.

Lastly, some elements of the left are very passionate, simply because they have traditionally been the stamping ground of the young and idealistic. It’s normal for people to then experience the realities of life, encounter opposing views, and come to terms with what is possible, and temper their arguments accordingly. But that is more about youth than ideology.

I’d agree with PP about respecting the process. As long as the process is tight and someone fairly wins an election I’m fine with the results.

I’ve voted Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative in the past and Green locally. I think it’s because my vote is not tied to my identity in any way. The question I am trying to answer with my vote is “who do I think has the right policies to run the country the best”. This may not mean a personal benefit for me but it may be about policies that will encourage growth for example.

I think people who’s politics are closely aligned with their self perception or have adopted a tribe feel it more keenly. I think theres an element of moral licensing as well… “I vote x way, it’s evidence that I am a good person, so when I throw insults at the “bad” people it’s fine because I am good””.

The people who voted conservative and,/or Brexit led us to a situation where we are pulling out teeth with pliers, young people can't afford to leave home, older people using their hard earned savings on private healthcare while workforce are off sick waiting years for operations, arts funding cuts, business being taken over by foreign companies. This sort of thing was unthinkable under new labour.
Panel shows have had to be very carefully balanced over recent years because of complaints from conservatives. BBC question time has had its audience reflecting voting intention with Nigel farages various parties being well represented.

Is that so ? I guess going off the tories past record nothing will but we can only hope.

Or selfish.

I guess Conservative voters must be the bigger people.

Eh? Doesn't this snide statement just prove otherwise?

Stats don't back this up.

Nor does my lived experience!

American politics is mad though, Trump isn’t a conservative at all. He’s a protectionist, he is definitely a dove (I know that sounds mad to say, but he hates spending american money on foreign wars). He’s a populist rather than an old fashioned republican (who I’m not overly fond of either).

OP have you seen the nonsense coming out of the Telegraph? You'd think the centrist Labour government we now have was planning for a radical left communist utopia. I wouldn't say they are taking it well.

This doesn’t happen anymore though.

Someone posted a graph in another thread. The changeover happens at age 75.

It used to happen at 40. But we have very different demographics these days.