Understanding Jay Slater case

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Can someone explain what is known about this.
My brief understanding (and I'm possibly wrong) is that he had a scuffle and stole a Rolex outside the party he attended. Then went back to an Airbnb with two British guys he didn't know. Stayed there a couple of hours then attempted to walk back to his accommodation. Had a couple of phone calls with friends that give no particular info. The British guys are not involved (seems odd that he was with them). And JS is still missing or possibly hiding/kidnapped. Who has the Rolex?
It all sounds very convoluted and a clear picture would obviously help people understand.

Yes I was shocked to read about his previous. He masterminded the introduction of a huge consignment of heroin and crack into Cardiff. As someone from a very depressed area of South Wales, the huge drug problems already there, the poverty and desperation - this guy is the lowest of the low and I don't think 9 years was enough tbh.

I appreciate that doesn't necessarily mean that he had anything to do with JS disappearance but it does increase the possibility that the AirBnB meeting was drug related. Because I don't think a bastard like that would reform his character entirely after just 9 years.

it does increase the possibility that the AirBnB meeting was drug related

I think there’s very little doubt of that and assumed that was the case before seeing the alleged man involved’s past. However as you said, that doesn’t mean that it has anything to do with his disappearance.

So many coincidences led to that prick being arrested, a drought that summer left the reservoir when he threw all her thngs & his BDSM thing, only for an off duty Guard who was having a quiet momet looking at the low water levels & by chance he saw something glistening underneath! Being a nosy guard he jumped down to investigate & it all led to the arrest & eventual conviction, it was a horrible case with really disturbing elements, poor Elaine

It's looking more and more likely that his family will never know. If he hasn't been found by now, with all the publicity and the extensive searches, then maybe he never will. Absolutely horrible for the people who loved him, even though from the outside looking in he appears rather unlovable.

That guy in the cottage will know more than he's letting on.

We don't know that though do we?

It may be no more than that Slater went back for a few beers and perhaps Charlie, to use an older euphemism, or E. So far as cottage man was concerned Slater was getting the bus home. AIUI cottage man is a Brit and is home so, were real suspicions raised, they know where he is.

I get the impression that none of the witnesses in this case are telling the full truth in this case about what they did and what they said in those final phone calls - with the exception perhaps of the local woman who saw him walking on the road.

It’s very concerning that there is absolutely no trace of Jay.
Would or could the UK police get involved if they suspect anything sinister?

He disappeared in a pretty remote part of the island. If he thought he could walk back to his accom, in reality an 11 hour slog, and then left the road for a 'short cut' he'd quickly be in very rough terrain. If there was a body under vegetation then unless sniffer dogs were starting from the 'right' place I'm not convinced they'd find it.

If by some chance he got down to the sea below the last place he was seen he could have been swept away. We were on Tenerife in March and the crashing waves made conditions we're used to on UK's Atlantic coast look benign.

You're both right, the anglers found the bag in unexpected shallow water & found all the BDSM gear so thought it was a stags jokey thing & handed it into the Gardaí, the guard then went back & discovered her keys with her card & amazingly a still working Nokia with all the messages between her & the killer, her body was then discovered by dog walkers... it really was the most exceptional set of coincides, awful case, poor Elaine

IIRC it was the Dunnes clubcard being hers that really changed the course of the investigation, up to then they had no clue what happened, just a missing person but she cld have wandered off herself, but that find meant it was sinister for sure.
Sorry to derail. I havent kept up with the Jay Slater case, i find it v disturbing all round tbh.

I’ve never been to Tenerife, but does this vegetation change and die back in the winter? Will the ground be more visible then?

Unlikely, they dont have winters like in the UK. If you believe people associated with the underworld theres no shortage of shallow graves up there. The police dont care and won't want the aggro.

So this all kind of makes sense to me apart from the end bit.
I can absolutely understand a drunk teenager going off with his new mates either to continue the party, take/buy drugs or try and sell a stolen watch. I have no problem believing that.
Then I feel like he wanted to get away from them quickly for some reason - could be many reasons. Maybe things got nasty between them, maybe he was running off with the watch or drugs, maybe they made a pass at him! He clearly wanted to get away from that area quickly. He wouldn't wait for the bus, he was walking quickly up the mountain road, he refused to go back to charge his phone or get water when his friends told him to. The theory is he got spooked by the men. Ok, so that makes sense and explains his bizarre decision to do an 11 hour hike instead of waiting for the bus.
What doesn't make sense to me is that two of his friends had his exact location. Instead of him waiting there and them picking him up by taxi or whatever, they report him missing to the police about ten minutes after the call! Why would they not go there to get him then call the police if they couldn't find him?! It seems bizarre to call the police a few minutes after his call when two people had his exact location.
Either they're lying, or he waited for them them gave up and started trying to walk back. He's a fit young man who in theory could have walked for hours after his phone died, possibly in the wrong direction. He could have ended up many miles from civilisation and died of thirst, injury or heat stroke. Alternatively, someone could have picked him up and done something to him - either the B n B men or some drug dealer or maybe someone related to the stolen watch. I think this is plausible. He phone last pinged at a beauty spot and glasses matching his were found broken on the ground. There could have been a scuffle. We know he was mixing with quite serious criminals so I don't think this is beyond the realms of possibility.

As above it close enough to the Tropics that, while warmer in the northern summer than winter, it's never cold enough to have the kind of 'winter' where vegetation seriously dies back.

What doesn't make sense to me is that two of his friends had his exact location. Instead of him waiting there and them picking him up by taxi or whatever, they report him missing to the police about ten minutes after the call! Why would they not go there to get him then call the police if they couldn't find him?! It seems bizarre to call the police a few minutes after his call when two people had his exact location.

Cos he probably told them he was about to get whacked.

What doesn't make sense to me is that two of his friends had his exact location. Instead of him waiting there and them picking him up by taxi or whatever, they report him missing to the police about ten minutes after the call! Why would they not go there to get him then call the police if they couldn't find him?
Maybe they didn't have the funds , didn't think he was in danger and were hoping the police would be a substitute taxi service? You know, let's tell them our mate needs help sort of thing
Maybe they'd had no sleep and /or the worse for wear and not thinking clearly.

Yes, wouldn't surprise me. I can't help thinking it's related to the two guys. They are serious criminals. One had just been in prison for 9 years for his plot to bring huge amounts of drugs to Wales. I wouldn't be surprised if Jay knew too much or threatened them and they decided to shut him up. His friends could be too scared to talk.

Well he looks delightful I must say.

And a surprising - or maybe not - choice of acquaintance for someone still completing a "community sentence" for a deeply unpleasant crime

It’s good you say seems because actually you don’t know him. Lots of young people experiment with drugs and think they’re cool and a bit of a wannabe gangster not realising what they’re actually involving themselves in. The lad attacked with the machete sounds awful, yet people seem to be sticking up for him again without knowing the full facts. I sincerely hope Jay is found either way so his family can have some answers, my heart goes out to them as I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.

Are you saying he deserved to have his skull smashed in with a machete by a gang of 8 teenagers?

Are you saying he deserved not to? That’s my point, we don’t know the circumstances around what happened. The lad it happened to is alleged to have attacked an old lady and been meeting underage girls so he quite possibly deserved it 🤷‍♀️

Do you understand what human rights are? Are you aged over 14? Because no-one in our society past that age should ever think what you think. No one deserves to be attacked with a machete - no one. It is illegal, it counts as cruel and unusual punishment and not even a High Court Judge could order this to be done to someone. Please go and get an education.

No one deserves to have their skull caved in by a machete. That’s why we have a criminal justice system. If someone commits a crime, they are dealt with by the courts. Otherwise we have a completely lawless society of vigilantes.