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Can the parents reach closure with this?

225 replies

mids2019 · 26/06/2024 19:17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

Horrible tragedy but the driver was completely innocent having had an epileptic seizure with none previously occuring. The problem seems to be the parents can't accept this. Should they have been advised against not making a statement as it will probably exacerbate the huge guilt felt by the driver for no reason.

School photo images of Nuria Sajjad, left, and Selena Lau - Nuria has glasses and her long dark hair in bunches; Selena is smiling at the camera and has part of her shoulder-length dark hair in a plait

Wimbledon school crash: Woman faces no charges over girls' deaths

Nuria Sajjad and Selena Lau died when a Land Rover crashed into an end-of-term tea party in Wimbledon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4448xx4keo

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IncompleteSenten · 26/06/2024 19:22

What a terrible tragedy.
Obviously the driver is in no way to blame for having a seizure for the first time in their life and I'm sure the parents know that deep down but they're in terrible pain and it's human nature to react emotionally and feel a need to assign blame.

BlackberrySky · 26/06/2024 19:24

Where does it say she had not previously ever had an epileptic fit? Am I missing that in the article?

TonTonMacoute · 26/06/2024 19:24

It's an awful case, in every way. I'm not sure how it's better to feel that you have lost your beautiful DC by some deliberate act or a terrible accident. Nothing will bring them back sadly.

Im sure it's not helped by the fact that these things take so long to be resolved.

I feel so sad for everyone involved.

Bigbouncingbaby · 26/06/2024 19:24

What a horrible and sad situation for the driver and the parents . Maybe in Time they can come to terms with it

TonTonMacoute · 26/06/2024 19:25

BlackberrySky · 26/06/2024 19:24

Where does it say she had not previously ever had an epileptic fit? Am I missing that in the article?

The CPS said there was no evidence Ms Freemantle had ever suffered a similar seizure before and she had no previously diagnosed medical condition.

mids2019 · 26/06/2024 19:25

I agree. The chances of the said events are also extremely low. The parents are grieving immensely but I don't think continuing to try and pick holes with the CPS will bear fruit.

It sounds like the parents would not accept the first time seizure conclusion at all.

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YouveGotAFastCar · 26/06/2024 19:26

I feel for everyone involved here; but it must be very difficult as parents who have lost a child to hear that charges won’t be pressed and there will never be a trial. They’ll never see the evidence that’s being mentioned. They’ll never feel that justice happened.

I’d imagine the driver can empathise with the parents, and their comments won’t impact on her too much. It was absolutely accidental, by the sounds of things, but she killed their children. I think she’ll probably give them a lot of leeway in how they’re feeling.

TotalDinosaur · 26/06/2024 19:26

You don't. There is no "closure" when your child dies.

Bigbouncingbaby · 26/06/2024 19:26

BlackberrySky · 26/06/2024 19:24

Where does it say she had not previously ever had an epileptic fit? Am I missing that in the article?

it definitely states that she never had one before and was in good health

Allthehorsesintheworld · 26/06/2024 19:27

I can’t imagine you ever heal from the loss of a child. A sudden loss, no warning, adds shock into the grief. I suffered from shock for 21 months after DH died in a RTA. I heard Simon Weston speaking about the shock he suffered from for over 20 years.
It’s totally understandable that the girls parents want someone to be held accountable, someone to be punished and they need that to be visible. I’m sure the driver has punished herself over and over but it truly was beyond her control.

DinnaeFashYersel · 26/06/2024 19:28

It's a tradegy for everyone including the driver.

soupfiend · 26/06/2024 19:29

BlackberrySky · 26/06/2024 19:24

Where does it say she had not previously ever had an epileptic fit? Am I missing that in the article?

Yes its in the article

OP there is no such thing as closure really in a case like this.

Tragic accidents cannot be solved by 'justice'. Justice cant turn back time.

There is no legal or criminal justice to be had here

Its not clear if those words and thoughts are the parents own or whether its a 'spokesperson'.

Awful situation for all involved, but they are not doing thmselves or their grief any favours by believing the investigation was flawed.

BlackberrySky · 26/06/2024 19:32

TonTonMacoute · 26/06/2024 19:25

The CPS said there was no evidence Ms Freemantle had ever suffered a similar seizure before and she had no previously diagnosed medical condition.

Ah yes, thank you. The article hadn't loaded properly on my phone. I see it now.

mids2019 · 26/06/2024 19:34

I guess it is acceptance that it is an accident really.

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HappierTimesAhead · 26/06/2024 19:36

This case terrifies me. I started experiencing seizures in my thirties and the idea that I could have caused an accident like this (before I was diagnosed and stopped driving) is awful.

FeetLing · 26/06/2024 19:36

How devastating for those poor parents and those little girls. What a terribly sad situation. I agree with others, it was no one’s fault so it’s pointless trying to pursue anything because it wasn’t a criminal act.

Antsinmypantsneedtodance · 26/06/2024 19:37

Its taken the CPS a long time to come to this conclusion. Possibly for good reason. Or because it's taken a while to get the evidence.

If it's taken so long to get the evidence, one wonders why? The driver was clearly wealthy. If i was the parents i'd be wondering how legitimate the evidence was. Especially considering how little information was shared with them during the process.

A tragedy all round really. I do feel for the parents though.

musicforthesoul · 26/06/2024 19:37

I don't think closure exists for this. It's an awful accident that is stupidly unlikely to happen, but it happened to them.

There isn't any justice to be had, it wasn't the drivers fault in any way by the sounds of the medical evidence so you can't hold her responsible, but for the parents it doesn't change anything, their child is still gone. The poor driver will be living with a million "what ifs" after this as well. Just tragic all round.

soupfiend · 26/06/2024 19:39

HappierTimesAhead · 26/06/2024 19:36

This case terrifies me. I started experiencing seizures in my thirties and the idea that I could have caused an accident like this (before I was diagnosed and stopped driving) is awful.

It could happen to any of us, not just with seizures, you could have a heart attack at the wheel and go out of control

People tried to raise this on other threads but were shouted down, the narrative being the driver was basically evil and irresponsible and must have been guilty of something.

Greatmate · 26/06/2024 19:39

It sounds like it was a terrible, faultless, accident. It's devastating for the families involved and the driver. I understand the families being angry. It's easier to feel anger than grief. I don't imagine anyone involved will ever be the same again.

soupfiend · 26/06/2024 19:40

Antsinmypantsneedtodance · 26/06/2024 19:37

Its taken the CPS a long time to come to this conclusion. Possibly for good reason. Or because it's taken a while to get the evidence.

If it's taken so long to get the evidence, one wonders why? The driver was clearly wealthy. If i was the parents i'd be wondering how legitimate the evidence was. Especially considering how little information was shared with them during the process.

A tragedy all round really. I do feel for the parents though.

The CPS, like all public services, are on their knees. All and most investigations and decisions about charge are taking nuge amounts of time

I said on previous threads about this, as I work with kids, trials involving sexual abuse are commonly taking around 5 years to come to trial.

atticstage · 26/06/2024 19:41

There's no such thing as closure or justice. Those are media fairy tales.

What happened was an absolute tragedy and I feel for them, however crying out for vengeance against an innocent person is wholly inappropriate.

Sometimes terrible, terrible things happen that nobody can heal from and nobody could have foreseen or prevented. Punishing an innocent person would not have healed anyone.

PurpleyDog · 26/06/2024 19:44

soupfiend · 26/06/2024 19:39

It could happen to any of us, not just with seizures, you could have a heart attack at the wheel and go out of control

People tried to raise this on other threads but were shouted down, the narrative being the driver was basically evil and irresponsible and must have been guilty of something.

The threads at the time were horrific - the mob mentality that this was a terror attack by a man deliberately targeting a girls school.

BlackberrySky · 26/06/2024 19:45

What is so incredibly galling is that had the lady had the fit on pretty much any other day apart from the last day of term, nobody would have been on that lawn. Instead, she would have simply hit the side of the school hall and probably not injured anybody.

soupfiend · 26/06/2024 19:48

Poor woman probably has PTSD