Why pick at spelling /grammar

[Idontgetit33]

Why do quite a few people not understand dyslexia and/or learning difficulties.

I do not know how to use grammar. If it does happen my phone has probably done it for me.

I do not know the difference between too, to , of and off. I get confused with they're even basic words like and ,him etc I sound them in my head as I write them even though I know how to spell them. There are lots mistakes I do but I can't see them.

People can tell me /explain but I will forget pretty much right away.

So what I don't understand Is why do many not all but many people pull up peoples spelling and grammar or they think the thread Is fake because of bad spelling.

If I feel emotional/stressed/ upset it could be worse

It sometimes comes across like there an understanding of children with dyslexia. But as am adult people seem to think it disappears.

I think that's the second pedant I've seen hoist by their own petard this week by using hoisted this week. Maybe I'm misremembering the first one though.

Morning!

No, there was another last week.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/pedants_corner/5095768-it-is-a-waiting-list?page=2&reply=136008121

I had a pendant smugly blasting me for saying something was "patently obvious" on here a few years ago. They insisted I was wrong and it should have been "blatantly obvious".

Many posters delighted in handing them their arse.

That saying does use “hoist” rather than “hoisted” though.

Unless we are actually using Elizabethan English, it's now hoisted. 'Hoist' doesn't sound right to a (good) native speaker:

The word "hoist" here is the past participle of the now-archaic verb hoise (since Shakespeare's time, hoist has become the present tense of the verb, with hoisted the past participle), and carries the meaning "to lift and remove".

No need for the cringe. The willingness to defend ignorance and the lack of basic grammatical knowledge on here is truly astounding.

Many posters delighted in handing them their arse.

What a charming phrase.

It is obvious once you’ve re-read the sentence but I actually bob along the sentence quite fast and then all of a sudden get hit with ‘’you’re mum’?, you are mum? That doesn’t sound right, oh, they mean your mum’ - it completely breaks the flow.

And my education was shit too. 70s liberal primary and sink comprehensive.

The example given by the op about spelling moouse (see? I don’t know how to spell it either!) Is something that even the biggest pendant wouldn’t pick on because there are occasional words that all of us get stuck on.

But to get to adulthood and not know the difference between they’re, there and their or you’re and your or two, too and to - well I think that’s pretty basic stuff that everyone should know before they leave primary school.

The example given by the op about spelling moouse (see? I don’t know how to spell it either!) Is something that even the biggest pendant wouldn’t pick on because there are occasional words that all of us get stuck on.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had some kind of easily accessible encyclopaedia which everyone could turn to in case they had questions of any sort... Oh, hang on!

"moose dessert"
Search ResultsDid you mean: mousse dessert

Occasional words, yes, but these are part of basic vocab, things people are eating five a day of, if reports are to be believed. They could just, you know, look on the side of the pot or something...

But to get to adulthood and not know the difference between they’re, there and their or you’re and your or two, too and to - well I think that’s pretty basic stuff that everyone should know before they leave primary school

I don't know the difference between some of the examples. I know there and their. Your're throws me . I had to copy yours and I will forget in a few mins. To and too I don't know the difference shd same with off and of.

I don't think I can do year 5 and 6 spelling /grammar

And yet you express yourself perfectly clearly and no one could be in doubt about your meaning.

It's almost like it's not that important in an informal setting.

Exactly. When I see someone correcting grammar or spelling, I automatically think "twat".

Yeah I know generally it's OK. I think most people can read what im saying . Or clear it up pretty easily. I think the words I have are limited compared to others . There are words on this thread that I don't know what they mean. Some i have never seen. Some I can't say.

I wounder if the type of education/school I went to was set up just to give enough teaching just to get by in life. I may be talking crap there . We did not do any GCSE or simlar though.

For goodness sake, it's a well established proverbial phrase, taken from Hamlet, and always used, by (good) native speakers with the original "hoist".

Hoisted is NOT the modern equivalent because it doesn't even mean the same thing: "hoise" meant to raise something aloft; it evolved into the modern "hoist" which generally involves ropes, pulleys or some other mechanism, and so not appropriate to that Shakespearean phrase.

It is not "now hoisted" by anyone with the slightest knowledge or regard for literature, idiom and appreciation of the historic quirks of language.

For goodness sake, it's a well established proverbial phrase, taken from Hamlet, and always used, by (good) native speakers with the original "hoist".

OK, I understand your argument. It seems like both are correct. I have only ever heard and read 'hoisted'. I am not a Shakespeare expert, and always willing to learn.

None of this takes anything away from my point about atrocious basic spelling and grammar by native speakers, though, lauded as though it's something to be proud of. Wilful carelessness of subject-matter in other areas of life (medicine, law, engineering, accounting) would not be seen as something to defend in the same way.

No one has lauded there bad spag on this thread all the talk about how it’s not productive to correct people on social media which it isn’t.

It takes so little time to learn how to use english properly and if you can't be arsed you're unlikely to get a good job.

So little time? Why do we waste time teaching it to children daily for 13 years?

Also, English has a capital letter. I presume therefore you don’t have a good job?

@LonelySod

When I see someone correcting grammar or spelling, I automatically think "twat"

Absolutely agree. 👍

Anybody using Wikipedia to support an argument hasn't got one.

Yes, it's archaic (most irregular past simple verbs are, that's why all new verbs have a regular past ending. But archaic doesn't equal wrong. The archaic forms remain in usage, and correct (David Crystal has an excellent article on usage v correctness) especially if part of fixed expressions. As any fule kno.

You remain wrong. Try a decent dictionary rather than Google.

And nobody is lauding poor SpaG. We are explaining why it can happen.

When I see someone using incorrect spellings and grammar I automatically think "twat".

OK, I understand your argument. It seems like both are correct.

@middlenglander
That was not what was said.
They're not both correct.
Hoisted is wrong in that particular expression.

How do you feel about lack of/incorrect punctuation?

Because not one of your posts on this thread has been correctly punctuated. Not one.

Just musing really how incorrect spelling and grammar is (blatantly, and written down for all to see) so important to you, when punctuation clearly isn't.

Genuinely interested, do any of the people on here who admit they have difficulties spelling and/or simply don't care, ever play Scrabble?

Adjust your mindset when you’re online

instead of feeling upset that someone’s pointed out a spag error, try to think oh, that person just outed themselves as a total cunt.

Hold on. I need to ask . What Is the difference between grammar and punctuation. I thought they were the same thing 😭

couple of times years ago, it isn’t something I would choose to play as it’s not fun for me, I didn’t know if I’m putting down the correct spelling/if they’re even words.

Punctuation (I believe) is marks. For example . , :

Grammar is there/their