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Why pick at spelling /grammar

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Idontgetit33 · 22/06/2024 12:24

Why do quite a few people not understand dyslexia and/or learning difficulties.

I do not know how to use grammar. If it does happen my phone has probably done it for me.

I do not know the difference between too, to , of and off. I get confused with they're even basic words like and ,him etc I sound them in my head as I write them even though I know how to spell them. There are lots mistakes I do but I can't see them.

People can tell me /explain but I will forget pretty much right away.

So what I don't understand Is why do many not all but many people pull up peoples spelling and grammar or they think the thread Is fake because of bad spelling.

If I feel emotional/stressed/ upset it could be worse

It sometimes comes across like there an understanding of children with dyslexia. But as am adult people seem to think it disappears.

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greencartbluecart · 23/06/2024 16:50

I get annoyed at people nitpicking when the meaning is clear even to the person nitpicking

The rules of language help us communicate clearly - as long as that happens I don't care if people spell something wrong or disobey grammar rules

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 23/06/2024 16:56

When I see poor grammar and spelling it jumps right out at me and detracts from what the poster is trying to say. I admit that when I see it I do tend to value the poster's opinion less.

I understand that there can be reasons for poor SPAG and I have sometimes seen posters explaining in their OP that they have difficulties or English isn't their first language etc which is helpful to the reader.

However other posters make excuses saying it simply doesn't matter, they can't be bothered, they're lazy or it's only a chat forum etc. When these posters are in their work environment or required to write a letter or email to anyone other than their friends, do they suddenly start spelling words correctly and using good grammar or do they approach all aspects of written communication with the same slack attitude they show on this forum?

greencartbluecart · 23/06/2024 16:59

But that's like letting someone's outfit put you off from what they are saying ?

It's very judgemental

CelesteCunningham · 23/06/2024 17:00

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 23/06/2024 16:56

When I see poor grammar and spelling it jumps right out at me and detracts from what the poster is trying to say. I admit that when I see it I do tend to value the poster's opinion less.

I understand that there can be reasons for poor SPAG and I have sometimes seen posters explaining in their OP that they have difficulties or English isn't their first language etc which is helpful to the reader.

However other posters make excuses saying it simply doesn't matter, they can't be bothered, they're lazy or it's only a chat forum etc. When these posters are in their work environment or required to write a letter or email to anyone other than their friends, do they suddenly start spelling words correctly and using good grammar or do they approach all aspects of written communication with the same slack attitude they show on this forum?

Yes, we start using correct spelling and grammar at work. That's the exact point we're making. Confused

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 23/06/2024 17:02

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This type of arsehole post is a good example of low intelligence and absence of empathy.

Ladylaylayday · 23/06/2024 17:06

greencartbluecart · 23/06/2024 16:59

But that's like letting someone's outfit put you off from what they are saying ?

It's very judgemental

But the way someone is dressed can put you off from what they are saying. Depending on the circumstances, their role etc.

Everyone makes judgments, every day. Anyone that claims to never make judgements about people are usually being disingenuous or it's so instinctive to them, they don't even realise they're doing it.

Some are unfair, some are fair/reasonable given the circumstances.

Spelling and grammar on an online forum is likely not fair. In other circumstances, it is.

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 23/06/2024 17:13

CelesteCunningham · 23/06/2024 17:00

Yes, we start using correct spelling and grammar at work. That's the exact point we're making. Confused

If that's the case does that require you at work to consciously make a lot more effort and spend more time on SPAG in addition to the content of the written communication? So it's almost as if you switch the bad spelling and grammar off and on again?
I'm asking because to me it seems really bizarre to be able to spell and use grammar correctly in some circumstances and not in others, e.g. why would people use "they're/their" correctly in one place but not in another?

EasterlyDirection · 23/06/2024 17:16

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 23/06/2024 16:56

When I see poor grammar and spelling it jumps right out at me and detracts from what the poster is trying to say. I admit that when I see it I do tend to value the poster's opinion less.

I understand that there can be reasons for poor SPAG and I have sometimes seen posters explaining in their OP that they have difficulties or English isn't their first language etc which is helpful to the reader.

However other posters make excuses saying it simply doesn't matter, they can't be bothered, they're lazy or it's only a chat forum etc. When these posters are in their work environment or required to write a letter or email to anyone other than their friends, do they suddenly start spelling words correctly and using good grammar or do they approach all aspects of written communication with the same slack attitude they show on this forum?

Of course they do. I approach a formal work communication very differently to a quick post on MN on my phone while waiting for the kettle to boil. In the same way that I might swear in conversation with friends but not my boss.

Idontgetit33 · 23/06/2024 17:17

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 23/06/2024 16:56

When I see poor grammar and spelling it jumps right out at me and detracts from what the poster is trying to say. I admit that when I see it I do tend to value the poster's opinion less.

I understand that there can be reasons for poor SPAG and I have sometimes seen posters explaining in their OP that they have difficulties or English isn't their first language etc which is helpful to the reader.

However other posters make excuses saying it simply doesn't matter, they can't be bothered, they're lazy or it's only a chat forum etc. When these posters are in their work environment or required to write a letter or email to anyone other than their friends, do they suddenly start spelling words correctly and using good grammar or do they approach all aspects of written communication with the same slack attitude they show on this forum?

. I admit that when I see it I do tend to value the poster's opinion less

So if someone was posting about something very upsetting. Would you value their post less because of spelling /grammar

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CelesteCunningham · 23/06/2024 17:24

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 23/06/2024 17:13

If that's the case does that require you at work to consciously make a lot more effort and spend more time on SPAG in addition to the content of the written communication? So it's almost as if you switch the bad spelling and grammar off and on again?
I'm asking because to me it seems really bizarre to be able to spell and use grammar correctly in some circumstances and not in others, e.g. why would people use "they're/their" correctly in one place but not in another?

Yes I concentrate harder at work than when texting friends or posting on MN. Doesn't everyone? I'm writing this while persuading DC that there is in fact enough water in the bath.

My personal issues are with leaving words out and my auto correct being terrible (it confuses there and their even though I don't, wtaf, there isn't an i anywhere near there), plus the odd bit of spelling. I proofread at work, I rarely proofread on MN.

Lkjhgdsrtgbjjm · 23/06/2024 17:45

@ISeriouslyDoubtIt
When these posters are in their work environment or required to write a letter or email to anyone other than their friends, do they suddenly start spelling words correctly and using good grammar or do they approach all aspects of written communication with the same slack attitude they show on this forum?

Honestly you don't sound too bright yourself if you can't understand that people aren't as careful on Mumsnet as they are at work. Even worse you sound pompous. 'Slack attitude' 😂😂😂

I know that my SPaG is poor so when I'm doing something where my SPaG matters I take more care. I'll do things like reread what I've written or, sometimes, I get someone to check it for me. I don't do it now but I occasionally used to have to present hand written notes in court that everyone would see so I would have to be very careful about my shite spelling and grammar. I'd have to look words up and I used to only write in capitals as otherwise my writing was illegible. It didn't hold me back at all in my career and my written work was regularly used over other peoples.

When I'm an anonymous chat forum there is no chance in hell that I'm going to worry too much about what I'm writing.

Wuu · 23/06/2024 18:35

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 23/06/2024 17:13

If that's the case does that require you at work to consciously make a lot more effort and spend more time on SPAG in addition to the content of the written communication? So it's almost as if you switch the bad spelling and grammar off and on again?
I'm asking because to me it seems really bizarre to be able to spell and use grammar correctly in some circumstances and not in others, e.g. why would people use "they're/their" correctly in one place but not in another?

I don’t have to write much for work, but when I do i have a variety of software on my computer to help with it and then often I still don’t know if it’s actually right so lots of googling and hoping I’ve got things right, ChatGPT helps a lot too these days.
im not going to sit fretting, googling and having to do all my posts on social media on my computer instead of my phone for comments on social media or forums.

TiddlyCove · 23/06/2024 18:38

I wouldn't pick out SPAG on a forum - no idea whether posters are native speaker, have dyslexia etc.

middlenglander · 23/06/2024 19:11

So if someone was posting about something very upsetting. Would you value their post less because of spelling /grammar

Yes

CelesteCunningham · 23/06/2024 19:15

middlenglander · 23/06/2024 19:11

So if someone was posting about something very upsetting. Would you value their post less because of spelling /grammar

Yes

Thanks that's really useful information about you.

Ladylaylayday · 23/06/2024 19:18

Lkjhgdsrtgbjjm · 23/06/2024 17:45

@ISeriouslyDoubtIt
When these posters are in their work environment or required to write a letter or email to anyone other than their friends, do they suddenly start spelling words correctly and using good grammar or do they approach all aspects of written communication with the same slack attitude they show on this forum?

Honestly you don't sound too bright yourself if you can't understand that people aren't as careful on Mumsnet as they are at work. Even worse you sound pompous. 'Slack attitude' 😂😂😂

I know that my SPaG is poor so when I'm doing something where my SPaG matters I take more care. I'll do things like reread what I've written or, sometimes, I get someone to check it for me. I don't do it now but I occasionally used to have to present hand written notes in court that everyone would see so I would have to be very careful about my shite spelling and grammar. I'd have to look words up and I used to only write in capitals as otherwise my writing was illegible. It didn't hold me back at all in my career and my written work was regularly used over other peoples.

When I'm an anonymous chat forum there is no chance in hell that I'm going to worry too much about what I'm writing.

That doesn't make a lot of sense though.

Unless you're saying that other people used to check your work so you never learned correct spelling or grammar?

Which is fine. But if for instance you learned the difference between your and you're, why would you use the correct one at work but not at all in the rest of your life?

Surely once you know what is correct, you carry on doing it? Even if you have to look it up to check e.g spelling?

Idontgetit33 · 23/06/2024 19:20

middlenglander · 23/06/2024 19:11

So if someone was posting about something very upsetting. Would you value their post less because of spelling /grammar

Yes

Thats nasty

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MumChp · 23/06/2024 19:21

Idontgetit33 · 22/06/2024 12:24

Why do quite a few people not understand dyslexia and/or learning difficulties.

I do not know how to use grammar. If it does happen my phone has probably done it for me.

I do not know the difference between too, to , of and off. I get confused with they're even basic words like and ,him etc I sound them in my head as I write them even though I know how to spell them. There are lots mistakes I do but I can't see them.

People can tell me /explain but I will forget pretty much right away.

So what I don't understand Is why do many not all but many people pull up peoples spelling and grammar or they think the thread Is fake because of bad spelling.

If I feel emotional/stressed/ upset it could be worse

It sometimes comes across like there an understanding of children with dyslexia. But as am adult people seem to think it disappears.

And some of us have English as a second language. It can be hard work too.

HawkTuah · 23/06/2024 19:22

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CelesteCunningham · 23/06/2024 19:23

Ladylaylayday · 23/06/2024 19:18

That doesn't make a lot of sense though.

Unless you're saying that other people used to check your work so you never learned correct spelling or grammar?

Which is fine. But if for instance you learned the difference between your and you're, why would you use the correct one at work but not at all in the rest of your life?

Surely once you know what is correct, you carry on doing it? Even if you have to look it up to check e.g spelling?

Most people put much more effort into their writing at work than on MN. For some that will mean checking if it's your or you're at work but taking a punt online. For others it will be about punctuation, or more difficult spelling or using words of five syllables rather than three, or saying what they want in as few words as possible.

And again, proof reading. I know there Vs their and your Vs you're but sometimes it seems my fingers or my phone don't.

ShorterWorkingYear · 23/06/2024 19:26

'When I read ‘why don’t you say something to you’re mum?’ it makes no sense whatsoever. I have to go back and realise they mean ‘your mum’.
I doubt very much you don't understand it. If you do, that's your issue really because most people would have no problem getting the sense from this.

middlenglander · 23/06/2024 19:27

Thats nasty

It's actually pretty normal; I'm just admitting what many others think too.

Why ask the question if you don't want to hear the answer?

middlenglander · 23/06/2024 19:35

I mean, if it's a question: it's true that there's no question mark at the end and there's an arbitrary full stop in the middle of two dependent clauses, but it's phrased grammatically as a question, so assuming we're understanding text based on spoken language here, it's a question. But this is exactly the point why clear, correct written communication is so important. I'm sorry if you have learning difficulties, but that doesn't make the facts any less true.

Idontgetit33 · 23/06/2024 19:40

middlenglander · 23/06/2024 19:27

Thats nasty

It's actually pretty normal; I'm just admitting what many others think too.

Why ask the question if you don't want to hear the answer?

No most people would not do that . If someone is posting that their mum just died from cancer or they are in a dv situation. Most people do not point out spelling mistakes wtf.

If you think that's normal then there's really no Hope... actually I can only think your on a wind up.

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Idontgetit33 · 23/06/2024 19:42

middlenglander · 23/06/2024 19:35

I mean, if it's a question: it's true that there's no question mark at the end and there's an arbitrary full stop in the middle of two dependent clauses, but it's phrased grammatically as a question, so assuming we're understanding text based on spoken language here, it's a question. But this is exactly the point why clear, correct written communication is so important. I'm sorry if you have learning difficulties, but that doesn't make the facts any less true.

I have absolutely no idea what any of that means

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