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Why pick at spelling /grammar

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Idontgetit33 · 22/06/2024 12:24

Why do quite a few people not understand dyslexia and/or learning difficulties.

I do not know how to use grammar. If it does happen my phone has probably done it for me.

I do not know the difference between too, to , of and off. I get confused with they're even basic words like and ,him etc I sound them in my head as I write them even though I know how to spell them. There are lots mistakes I do but I can't see them.

People can tell me /explain but I will forget pretty much right away.

So what I don't understand Is why do many not all but many people pull up peoples spelling and grammar or they think the thread Is fake because of bad spelling.

If I feel emotional/stressed/ upset it could be worse

It sometimes comes across like there an understanding of children with dyslexia. But as am adult people seem to think it disappears.

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itsmabeline · 22/06/2024 19:31

I just mean that even though lots of people have dyslexia, even more people don't have dyslexia.

So it's normal to assume poor grammar comes from people without dyslexia.

Caffeineneedednow · 22/06/2024 19:35

Flatulence · 22/06/2024 19:02

I don't correct or judge random people on the internet. That's rude.

However, good spelling, punctuation and grammar is important as it makes things easier to understand and avoids confusion.

When someone has used 'your' instead of 'you're' and 'their' instead of 'there', I frequently find I have to reread the sentence for it to make sense.

There are countless examples where using an incorrect spelling or punctuation totally changes the meaning of a sentence. For example 'let's eat kids' versus 'lets eat, kids'.

It's for this reason that it is important that formal communications from businesses or public bodies do need to be properly proofread and why I will - on occasion - feedback on errors.

For what it's worth, I have ADHD and dyscalculia. I know what my weaknesses are and where I struggle. As a result, I've put numerous 'coping strategies' in place to prevent these issues from affecting my work or how I communicate or how I navigate life. I'm far from perfect so I also welcome other people politely letting me know if they do spot issues relating to these things so that I can look again at how I can do better. I expect other adults to take responsibility for their known neurodivergence and find appropriate ways to mitigate for those differences - especially in a professional setting. My husband is dyslexic, as is one of my brothers, and both ensure they thoroughly plan and check written work (using software, where appropriate) and ask others to read their written work too.

It's one thing struggling. But we do all have to take ownership of our challenges and try to find ways to navigate the world.

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But there is a difference between professional work and chatting on a online form.

I have dyslexia and utilise the tools you describe in my job however I don't when posting on MN, mostly because I do this on my phone not on my laptop with all my software. So as the OP said, if my grmmer / spelling is changed it is done so by my phone and will not always be correct.

If the general concensus of the post can be read I don't care. A case in point is I wrote can in my previous sentence and my phone changed it to van. So the predictive text / spellchecker on phones is far more flawed then on laptops ( at least me work laptop)

Idontgetit33 · 22/06/2024 19:40

itsmabeline · 22/06/2024 19:13

@Idontgetit33
Your post is in sentences with full stops, paragraphs, good punctuation and grammar. It's easy to read.

This is in contrast to posts where very little punctuation has been used with no paragraphs. These are the ones that are impossible to read.

Also you say "Lots of people have dyslexia. So if things are spelt wrong it would be normal to assume they have dyslexia. "
That's not true at all that it would be normal to assume that just because lots of people have dyslexia that it's normal to assume a post with poor spelling is from someone dyslexic.

Many people have Down's syndrome which might make it difficult to community, but that doesn't mean a poorly written message means it's normal to assume that person has Down's syndrome.
Many, many, many more people don't have it than have it. Poor use of punctuation and grammar is extremely common and widespread, I'm sure it's way more common than dyslexia. So it's normal to assume that someone with poor spelling and grammar doesn't have dyslexia, they have poor spelling and grammar.

If there is grammar and spelling is OK then it means my phone done it for me automatically. I didn't have to do anything or make any choices .

I do use paragraphs. When I do for me it feels like I'm putting things in separate boxes tests the image I get in my head . Sometimes I do paragraphs at the wrong times. If I'm still talking about the same thing but the paragraph is long to me. I will split it otherwise I can't take it in.

And if spelling/grammar is wrong I would assume dyslexia. Because that feels kinder to me . I'm not going to go and have a pop at them incase they don't have dyslexia.

Sorry the down syndrome part just gos over my head

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DilemmaDelilah · 22/06/2024 19:55

I came on here to say that I hate it (incorrect spelling and grammar) because it slows down my reading when I have to try to work out what is meant. However I see that another poster has said they don't like it because they are Neuro diverse. I am too - maybe that's why I don't like it? I also really dislike abbreviations and acronyms, again I thought that was because it slows me down if I have to work out what they mean, but may be that's the same.

Marynotsocontrary · 22/06/2024 21:32

cardibach · 22/06/2024 18:47

No, you assumed rightly. You get red lines for incorrect spelling on both iPad and iPhone and, I believe, on android phones. Sometimes autocorrect will auto incorrect though, and alter something you have entered correctly for an ungrammatical word - eg changing too to to or it’s to its.

I don't get any red lines on my android phone.

I'm not sure if I can adjust the settings so they appear, but it doesn't seem to be the default anyway.

Screamingabdabz · 22/06/2024 21:42

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I don’t correct people’s MN’s posts. I just answered the OP’s question genuinely and honestly. I didn’t claim to be intelligent.

And you (and others) responded by being mean and snarky. So well done you. Nice.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

CelesteCunningham · 22/06/2024 21:43

Screamingabdabz · 22/06/2024 21:42

I don’t correct people’s MN’s posts. I just answered the OP’s question genuinely and honestly. I didn’t claim to be intelligent.

And you (and others) responded by being mean and snarky. So well done you. Nice.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Thanks. 😘

NervyMum · 22/06/2024 21:44

Idontgetit33 · 22/06/2024 12:24

Why do quite a few people not understand dyslexia and/or learning difficulties.

I do not know how to use grammar. If it does happen my phone has probably done it for me.

I do not know the difference between too, to , of and off. I get confused with they're even basic words like and ,him etc I sound them in my head as I write them even though I know how to spell them. There are lots mistakes I do but I can't see them.

People can tell me /explain but I will forget pretty much right away.

So what I don't understand Is why do many not all but many people pull up peoples spelling and grammar or they think the thread Is fake because of bad spelling.

If I feel emotional/stressed/ upset it could be worse

It sometimes comes across like there an understanding of children with dyslexia. But as am adult people seem to think it disappears.

Because many people are so insecure about themselves that picking on people makes them feel better about themselves.

Idontgetit33 · 22/06/2024 21:49

NervyMum · 22/06/2024 21:44

Because many people are so insecure about themselves that picking on people makes them feel better about themselves.

I couldn't do that I would feel guilty

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Boxina · 22/06/2024 22:06

I don't point it out to people, but I'm autistic and incorrect grammar and spellings cause me actual physical discomfort. It's so jarring, and often it makes it so hard to understand what someone means because my brain reads the bit that's wrong and starts analysing it.

If you want more understanding of dyslexia, you should try also to be understanding of your other fellow neurodivergents.

And just to mention, the word neurodivergents has a red squiggly line under it, so on Mumsnet at least, some words that aren't in the Mumsnet dictionary do get flagged. It doesn't do it for grammatical errors though.

TwattyMcFuckFace · 22/06/2024 22:35

If you want more understanding of dyslexia, you should try also to be understanding of your other fellow neurodivergents.

If we all just stuck to not pulling internet strangers up on their SPaG, there would be no problem.

It's different if a person actually needs clarification, but more often than not they're just being a dick.

cardibach · 22/06/2024 23:06

Marynotsocontrary · 22/06/2024 21:32

I don't get any red lines on my android phone.

I'm not sure if I can adjust the settings so they appear, but it doesn't seem to be the default anyway.

Odd. Friends with android seem to get it. Not aware of them having to change a default, but here’s how to.

Why pick at spelling /grammar
Blackcats7 · 22/06/2024 23:17

Poor spelling and grammar are annoying for those reading and can even lead to the meaning of what has been written being hard to understand.
I generally resist the urge to correct anything unless the poster is particularly nasty (mostly on fb) in which case I will treat myself.
Not everyone is dyslexic.

TheBirdintheCave · 22/06/2024 23:40

EthanofAthos · 22/06/2024 12:33

It’s not always intended to be critical: I’m also neurodiverse and seeing words spelt incorrectly really bothers me. Something about them just sitting there incorrectly, being incorrect forever. It’s like an uncomfortable itch in my mind, so I do have an urge to correct it. I don’t usually as I know people can take it as criticism, whereas really it’s just an urge that comes from my own weird brain.

Wow yes, me too. Also ND here.

TwattyMcFuckFace · 23/06/2024 00:01

Blackcats7 · 22/06/2024 23:17

Poor spelling and grammar are annoying for those reading and can even lead to the meaning of what has been written being hard to understand.
I generally resist the urge to correct anything unless the poster is particularly nasty (mostly on fb) in which case I will treat myself.
Not everyone is dyslexic.

in which case I will treat myself.

But how is it a 'treat'? That's a weird way to see it.

Not sure if you have kids but if you do, if they got a maths equation wrong or another part of their homework, would you see correcting them as 'treating yourself'?

Surely if the poster is being nasty, you'd concentrate on pulling them up on that? 🤷‍♂️

Lkjhgdsrtgbjjm · 23/06/2024 01:00

Reasons for poor spag

Dyslexia
Being 'thick' as some PPs have suggested 😡
Not 'thick' but not good ay SPAG
Being lazy
English is not a first language
Sight or dexterity issues
Other disabilities
Deliberately making mistakes to piss off the pedants

So if you are someone who gets twitchy when you see SPAG mistakes which groups do you think it's acceptable and appropriate to be annoyed by and which groups is it ok to correct?

I'd put myself in the 'not thick but bad at SPAG' category. I am well read, attend the theatre and love languages I'm just shite at SPAG.

Marynotsocontrary · 23/06/2024 01:15

cardibach · 22/06/2024 23:06

Odd. Friends with android seem to get it. Not aware of them having to change a default, but here’s how to.

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Thank you.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 23/06/2024 02:00

I try not to correct people. It just seems crass to me.

I never think of dyslexia though. I just assume it's poor education and I think most people think the same. And I'm willing to bet that at least 90% of the time, that's exactly what it is.

It does irritate me at times though. Sometimes I wish people would make more of an effort - but, again, I'm thinking in terms of them being uneducated not dyslexic.

middlenglander · 23/06/2024 09:50

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SpringerFall · 23/06/2024 09:55

In work or an education sure, on a forum, social media etc. There is no reason accept they have something missing and need to feel 'right'

Ladylaylayday · 23/06/2024 10:02

I think it's a bit rude to correct spelling and grammar online but when someone has got something completely wrong like rest bite, chester drawers, for all intensive purposes, damp squid, talking dribble and so on, I think it's okay to politely correct someone so they don't keep making the same mistake.

middlenglander · 23/06/2024 10:12

Rest bite, chester drawers, for all intensive purposes, damp squid, talking dribble

These are hilarious!

CelesteCunningham · 23/06/2024 10:14

Love rest bite. It makes so much sense, it's perfect. I vote we make it a correct term.

Idontgetit33 · 23/06/2024 10:16

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Wow thats an awful post . You can get people who are very academic but are not intelligent.

I can't be arsed to say anymore ffs

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Idontgetit33 · 23/06/2024 10:18

CelesteCunningham · 23/06/2024 10:14

Love rest bite. It makes so much sense, it's perfect. I vote we make it a correct term.

I don't get the rest bite part 😭 should it be restbite?

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