Why pick at spelling /grammar

[Idontgetit33]

Why do quite a few people not understand dyslexia and/or learning difficulties.

I do not know how to use grammar. If it does happen my phone has probably done it for me.

I do not know the difference between too, to , of and off. I get confused with they're even basic words like and ,him etc I sound them in my head as I write them even though I know how to spell them. There are lots mistakes I do but I can't see them.

People can tell me /explain but I will forget pretty much right away.

So what I don't understand Is why do many not all but many people pull up peoples spelling and grammar or they think the thread Is fake because of bad spelling.

If I feel emotional/stressed/ upset it could be worse

It sometimes comes across like there an understanding of children with dyslexia. But as am adult people seem to think it disappears.

I have seen that to. Its so odd and nasty

We can't generalise, a person that continually makes the same mistakes they may have ASD too, I have an adult child with ASD who cannot for the life of him get whether/weather or where/were right because he also has dyspraxia and disordered language. He hates that he cannot do this and it is most certainly not for want of trying. However he does understand that it would be rude to pull others up on their spelling unless proofreading has been requested.

Some people are as thick as shit and will never realise the world is full of different people, with different capabilities.

They truly believe that they are going to be the one who 'educates' MNetters where all others have failed 🙄

As soon as these people find themselves typing out a post 'correcting' someone, they need to hit delete, log off and accept the internet is not the place for them.

MNHQ came down hard a little while back on this sort of thing and would delete the SPaG wankers.

I'm not sure they still do though, unless people just don't report them anymore?

Because most people don't have dyslexia. It's more common not to have dyslexia than to have it. It's more common that poor spelling and grammar is a result of a slack or lazy attitude to the use of good grammar.

And what that laziness translates to is: I the writer can't be bothered to put the effort in to write properly, meaning I want you the reader to read through my poor spelling and grammar and put the lion's share of the effort in here trying to decipher my cryptic, poorly worded message.

Having poor grammar as an adult might be due to all kinds of issues in childhood, but you can choose to try and improve at any time. A lot of the time it is simply laziness.

So why should the reader put in way more effort to understand what someone has written than the writer does in writing it?

Laziness with grammar is merely being ok with a transfer in effort from the writer to the reader and has nothing to do with dyslexia, which affects a minority of people.

When people are obviously in distress and have short messages I completely ignore poor grammar as much as possible.

But it's often impossible to understand what someone means when they don't use for example full stops and just communicate in one continuous sentence.

So why should the reader put in way more effort to understand what someone has written than the writer does in writing it?

They shouldn't if they're not happy to.

They should just scroll the fuck on 🤷‍♂️

My ds is 9 he has autism. He is working at year 1 level . Hopefully he will get better . But I think he will always struggle

To be honest I don't report it on my own threads. Because i want them to look like twats.

Also I have already read it. If its deleted I feel like that person can hide beside the deleted message. I don't know if that even makes sense

2 of my children are dyslexic, I still correct their grammar.

No, you assumed rightly. You get red lines for incorrect spelling on both iPad and iPhone and, I believe, on android phones. Sometimes autocorrect will auto incorrect though, and alter something you have entered correctly for an ungrammatical word - eg changing too to to or it’s to its.

Lots of people have dyslexia. So if things are spelt wrong it would be normal to assume they have dyslexia. They don't save time by spelling it wrong it can actually take someone with dyslexia quite a white to make a post / thread.

As for the grammar I don't know how to use it. If it happens my phone had done it for me. I was never taught grammar.

Also it just won't sink in . Someone could show me or explain and it would go over Mt head

It depends I think who picks up the report.
This week I've reported a couple where people post JUST to correct someone's SPaG, one was deleted, one wasn't.

I agree it’s dickish to correct someone’s spelling and grammar on a MN post. I genuinely can’t see any reason to do it.
Just out of interest though, why were you never taught any grammar rules? Did you go to school in the U.K.?

Sure, they're your children. Do you often speak to adults you don't know as if they are your children?

I correct my ND children (adults) if they ask me to proofread and I did generally when they were younger but I have also taught them that there are times when it matters and times when it doesn't, job applications matter, chatting on a forum/SM not so much. We also understand that as a PP said, people get it wrong for lots of other reasons, being busy, distracted, whatever. I wouldn't dream or correcting someone on a forum, that would be extremely rude.

I went to school in uk . But I went to a school for people with learning difficulties. I couldn't write my own name till I was 9 ish. I have dyslexia and learning difficulties.

I don't correct or judge random people on the internet. That's rude.

However, good spelling, punctuation and grammar is important as it makes things easier to understand and avoids confusion.

When someone has used 'your' instead of 'you're' and 'their' instead of 'there', I frequently find I have to reread the sentence for it to make sense.

There are countless examples where using an incorrect spelling or punctuation totally changes the meaning of a sentence. For example 'let's eat kids' versus 'lets eat, kids'.

It's for this reason that it is important that formal communications from businesses or public bodies do need to be properly proofread and why I will - on occasion - feedback on errors.

For what it's worth, I have ADHD and dyscalculia. I know what my weaknesses are and where I struggle. As a result, I've put numerous 'coping strategies' in place to prevent these issues from affecting my work or how I communicate or how I navigate life. I'm far from perfect so I also welcome other people politely letting me know if they do spot issues relating to these things so that I can look again at how I can do better. I expect other adults to take responsibility for their known neurodivergence and find appropriate ways to mitigate for those differences - especially in a professional setting. My husband is dyslexic, as is one of my brothers, and both ensure they thoroughly plan and check written work (using software, where appropriate) and ask others to read their written work too.

It's one thing struggling. But we do all have to take ownership of our challenges and try to find ways to navigate the world.

That’s unnecessarily rude. It is not unusual for neurodivergent people to find it jarring/confusing/stressful to see words written incorrectly. It’s not about overestimating the importance of social media, it’s about how my brain works.

I usually resist the urge to correct people as I know it comes across as critical, even though that’s not how it’s meant.

I am happy for any mistake to be picked up. I found it especially useful when I finished education and sometimes people would point out mistakes on internet forums, I don’t think you can learn every rule/spelling at school. I remember learning when to use ‘who’ or ‘whom’ in a sentence from chat room pedantry.

I get brain itch when I see poor spelling or grammar, certain things more than others ("of" instead of "have" is a common one on here that puts my teeth on edge). I don't know whether it's an ND thing or because I was cracked over the knuckles with a ruler until I spelt things correctly as a child, but it drives me nuts.

However I never correct people, it's just obnoxious and I appreciate that there are loads of reasons someone might spell something wrong, and none of them are to annoy me personally.

If what someone has said is understandable I'll leave them to it as long as I can get the gist of their meaning. Someone using there instead of their doesn't immediately render a sentence completely incomprehensible.

@Idontgetit33
Your post is in sentences with full stops, paragraphs, good punctuation and grammar. It's easy to read.

This is in contrast to posts where very little punctuation has been used with no paragraphs. These are the ones that are impossible to read.

Also you say "Lots of people have dyslexia. So if things are spelt wrong it would be normal to assume they have dyslexia. "
That's not true at all that it would be normal to assume that just because lots of people have dyslexia that it's normal to assume a post with poor spelling is from someone dyslexic.

Many people have Down's syndrome which might make it difficult to community, but that doesn't mean a poorly written message means it's normal to assume that person has Down's syndrome.
Many, many, many more people don't have it than have it. Poor use of punctuation and grammar is extremely common and widespread, I'm sure it's way more common than dyslexia. So it's normal to assume that someone with poor spelling and grammar doesn't have dyslexia, they have poor spelling and grammar.

I was so glad to read this, because exactly the same thing is happening to me too! I've always been spot on with SPaG (and make my living with it too), but the last few years I'm starting to miss words out or use the 'wrong' form - even the using phonetic words too!

I thought it was only me...

I don’t correct grammar or spelling on here, but there are things that I don’t think are to do with spelling and grammar difficulties, such as using abbreviations and text speak. Also it isn't always easy to get the gist of the thread if there is a wall of text without paragraphs or punctuation. I think people won’t always persevere if they have to read the post several times to understand it.

Yes, it’s a chat forum, but its chat in written form and you don’t necessarily get the nuance you would from a conversation.

That's all gone over my head 😔. i will try and read it again in a few mins or so .