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Friend has dropped me since I told her I am to have a grandchild

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Helensburghmiddleagedmum · 11/06/2024 16:10

Just as it says in the title, my closest friend who I see at least once a week and am in contact with by phone and messenger has dropped me like a ton of bricks now that I am to have a grandchild.

To give you a bit of background, she is 10 years older me and has two sons who both still live at home with her and her husband (they are 35 and 37) and have never had a relationship. She thinks this is wonderful, they are all so independent she says, they all contribute, help with paying the council tax, doing a share of the cooking etc. She has always said she is glad she won't have grandchildren as she doesn't want the responsibility. I have always said to her that I would love grandchildren and that I think that both of my sons would love a family.

Anyway, one of my son's and his partner are 20 weeks pregnant and I told my friend the good news over a week ago. We were at another event together on Sunday and I announced my good news to our mutual group of friends and my friend just got up, walked away from the table, and didn't come back for 15 minutes.

I suspect she is jealous, that she does really want grandchildren and that she is upset. I have been waiting for her to message me, like she always does, at the beginning of the week, for us to get together later in the week for a coffee/lunch. She is retired and is busy doing other things so our arrangement is that she lets me know when suits her. But, this week there is nothing.

So, what do I do? Do I contact her or is that putting her under pressure when she doesn't actually want to see me at the moment? Or do I leave her for a while to get used to the news?

OP posts:
IReallyStillCantBeBothered · 12/06/2024 14:02

Holliegee · 11/06/2024 16:17

You phone her and act like nothing has changed, if as you suspect the baby news has thrown her off kilter then try not to talk about it too much and keep your friendship on the level it was before.

I don’t see how this will last. Continue to pretend your friendship is the same when you know it isn’t and she resents you and is jealous that you’re going by to be a grandparent?

I would rather bring it up and talk about it, maybe give her sometime to process the whole thing first and if after talking she still cannot accept or move on, end the friendship or keep her at arms length.

IReallyStillCantBeBothered · 12/06/2024 14:06

Helensburghmiddleagedmum · 11/06/2024 16:44

Thanks everyone for the advice which I have taken on board and I have just sent her a message asking how things are and if she wants to meet later in the week for coffee/lunch. No mention of baby and obviously if we do meet up I won't mention anything about the baby.

BTW, no she didn't say congratulations when I told her she just looked at me blankly and changed the subject to something else so I didn't mention anything else about the baby until Sunday when we were with mutual friends who didn't know. It was when I told them that she immediately stood up and walked away and didn't come back for 15 minutes. She really is very happy that her two sons still live at home as they pay the council tax and they all take a turn cooking and she loves having them around. Maybe I shouldn't have suggested she was jealous, maybe she isn't jealous at all and she could just find it irritating. I don't know. What I do know is that it is completely out of character for her to not be in touch at the beginning of the week to arrange meeting up. But I have taken on board your suggestions and I have messaged her so I will see how she responds and take it from there.

Thanks again everyone for your help!

The way you keep going on about how proud she is that they help pay the council tax is making me laugh so much 😂

If she really goes on about it that much then she is probably trying to mask her disappointment and pretend she is happy when she is not.

No logical person will be happy for their children to never be in a loving relationship in exchange for paying for their council tax.

Reddog1 · 12/06/2024 15:07

No logical person will be happy for their children to never be in a loving relationship in exchange for paying for their council tax.

I agree with this. And she may be reflecting on her own behaviour and parenting, and wondering if she is* *partly responsible for their situation. Whilst it’s not too late for them to meet people and have kids, it is of course unusual and a bit sad to be living like this.

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Ohpleeeease · 12/06/2024 15:22

Poor parenting isn’t the only reason for two adult children not to have had relationships. The friend may be making the best of a situation which is actually quite difficult for her and is putting on a brave face to deflect unwelcome speculation. It’s surprising that the OP hasn’t considered this, given that they are such close friends.

lt looks as though the lack of awareness of each other’s feelings goes both ways.

Wishimaywishimight · 12/06/2024 15:36

If she's such a good friend why didn't you just ask her what was wrong instead of speculating?

catwithflowers · 12/06/2024 18:17

ginasevern · 12/06/2024 12:02

Your friend is probably pissed off because she knows your life will now pretty much revolve around grandchildren, as will your conversations. She's probably encountered this before with other friends who become unavailable due to the school run and who talk endlessly about teething and soft play.

Well I'm obviously doing grandparenting completely wrong as this is so unlike my life!!! If anyone asks about our granddaughter I say something along the lines of "she's gorgeous, walking really well now and a little treasure" then the conversation changes to the latest film/restaurant/garden/holiday. I adore my grandchild but I don't expect all my friends to be especially interested!!

Firefly1987 · 12/06/2024 18:33

Why is she so convinced she'll never be a grandparent? They're in their 30s not 50s! Men know they don't have to even think about this stuff til 40+ plenty of time yet. What are her sons like?

Holliegee · 13/06/2024 14:10

IReallyStillCantBeBothered · 12/06/2024 14:02

I don’t see how this will last. Continue to pretend your friendship is the same when you know it isn’t and she resents you and is jealous that you’re going by to be a grandparent?

I would rather bring it up and talk about it, maybe give her sometime to process the whole thing first and if after talking she still cannot accept or move on, end the friendship or keep her at arms length.

Edited

I didn’t mean forever - just to regroup the friendship and allow friend to get used to it !

Helensburghmiddleagedmum · 13/06/2024 16:52

I phoned her last night, she didn't answer, I left a message, so far she hasn't been in touch. For the poster who asked what her sons are like, she moved to the area 10 years ago and none of us has ever seen her sons or even any photos of them. Only a few of us know that they 'house share' as she describes it. She is a very private person and doesn't disclose very much at all about her family. So I haven't got the faintest idea what her sons are like other than they are 35 and 37, both work but I don't know as what, that they have always lived at home and they have never had a romantic relationship with anyone.

OP posts:
SoreAndTired1 · 13/06/2024 20:04

Helensburghmiddleagedmum · 13/06/2024 16:52

I phoned her last night, she didn't answer, I left a message, so far she hasn't been in touch. For the poster who asked what her sons are like, she moved to the area 10 years ago and none of us has ever seen her sons or even any photos of them. Only a few of us know that they 'house share' as she describes it. She is a very private person and doesn't disclose very much at all about her family. So I haven't got the faintest idea what her sons are like other than they are 35 and 37, both work but I don't know as what, that they have always lived at home and they have never had a romantic relationship with anyone.

none of us has ever seen her sons or even any photos of them

In other words, they don't exist. I bet anything. She doesn't have any sons or children and that's probably why she is so upset at not having grandchildren.

What did the mutual group say at the table to each other when she just got up and left, @Helensburghmiddleagedmum ?

DancingLions · 13/06/2024 20:40

In other words, they don't exist

Hilarious. Gotta love the conspiracies on this thread! If she was going to “make up” 2 sons wouldn’t she have said they were super successful? Like wall street traders or property moguls in Dubai or something? (To explain why no one’s seen them). Living at home and paying council tax is hardly something worth lying about 😂

Look OP, maybe she is jealous. I’m not convinced but you seem sure. You’ve made approaches and she hasn’t responded so I’d just leave it now. Not much more you can do.

Springwatch123 · 13/06/2024 20:41

That’s sad that she’s gone awol.

scoobysnaxx · 13/06/2024 20:46

Something not right with her.

Maybe her sons don't even exist lol?

Maybe they have learning disabilities or mental health issues?

Maybe they are just lazy and unwashed and she's embarrassed?

Who knows...?

But something has hit a major major nerve with her to go awol like this.

I really hope she reaches out to you soon and explains herself.

If she doesn't, or she reaches out and acts completely normal or tries to fob you off with 'I'm so sorry I meant to get back to you but I've been so busy' blah blah, I'd ditch her completely.

If she cannot be upfront and honest about what is bothering her and be happy for you, she's no friend.

She'd already be in my bad books, acting the way she did.

determinedtomakethiswork · 13/06/2024 22:45

Haven't you ever been to her house?

justasking111 · 13/06/2024 22:55

@Helensburghmiddleagedmum leave her be now, you've messaged and phoned. For whatever reason she is not happy with your news.

WestEndWindy · 13/06/2024 23:07

That is very unusual to not have met your closest friend's children if you all live in the same town.

Let her come to you, but I think there's more to this.

Harry12345 · 14/06/2024 10:38

wtf is everyone sticking up for the friend? No matter what her reasons are she is a shit friend for not congratulating her friend on her sons gfs pregnancy, op you have done nothing wrong and if she continues this behaviour she is a shit friend! Sounds like she might have issues considering she thinks there is nothing wrong with her living situation

Brats4kid · 14/06/2024 11:51

From your last post, the fact that know one has seen her son's or even a picture of them is very bizarre! Are you sure she even has any children? It's such a weird situation!

bananasandhoney1 · 14/06/2024 13:05

Is there any update on this OP? Have you still not heard back from her? I agree that it seems rather odd that you have not ever met or seen a photo of her sons (and that neither has anyone else) and also never been invited to her home? Has she been invited to yours and accepted such invitations?

I hope you hear something soon

Daffodilsandbagels · 14/06/2024 13:19

itsmylife7 · 11/06/2024 16:57

I've not read all the replies but maybe she's upset that your friendship is going to really change.

Your Grandchild will be a priority and they'll be no meeting up like you do now.

What a depressing attitude towards friendship. Even if the OP wants to be a very involved grandparent (great if so), she could obviously still find time for her friend if she wants to.

Silvers11 · 14/06/2024 13:25

@Helensburghmiddleagedmum You say no-one has seen her sons or even any photos? If so I would suspect given the way she has reacted that there is a lot of backstory here, which she never spoken about.

Could be the sons don't exist and never did. Or for whatever reason, she didn't bring them up. Adopted/with their Dad/or similar. Or they died? Or they neither of them speak to her. Or a host of other things that she can't bear to talk about and has created the fiction as being necessary for her own Mental health?

I hope you can reestablish a good relationship with her. Maybe it might help if you actually called at her home and told her how worried you are about her and tell her much you appreciate her company and don't want to lose her friendship? On the other hand it might not help at all.

So sorry you are having to deal with this

GingerPirate · 14/06/2024 13:34

RedRobyn2021 · 11/06/2024 16:29

When a man says "we're pregnant" it's so gross I hate that too

No "we" aren't, you are a man

Instant put off.
Whether the man or the woman says it.

TinyTear · 14/06/2024 13:52

So she either has a couple of Incels for sons or doesn't have children and made up a story to feel closer to you.

BucketBouquet · 14/06/2024 14:36

FrenchandSaunders · 11/06/2024 16:51

Whatever she says about being happy her sons are still at home, I’m sure it can’t be true!

I can’t think of anything worse than retiring and having kids mid 30s loafing about.

Why can’t it be true? Why is it any more outlandish than some people wanting children and others not, or some people preferring to be single whereas others are unhappy on their own?

It’s like some people find it impossible to understand that not everyone dreams of marriage followed by children followed by grandchildren.

WhatNoRaisins · 14/06/2024 14:38

I have known some people who got too comfortable with their adult working children living with them and contributing money to the household. It's not totally outlandish for a person to be happy about this especially if strapped for cash.

Ideally you want to see your kids spread their wings and live their own life though.