Thread 3 - Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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Which clinic? The population of Symi is only 2,500. If they have a clinic at all, how would he have got there without any taxi driver, bus driver or anyone else noticing? If for some reason he got a ferry to Rhodes someone would have noticed him. Most importantly, what kind of clinic would admit someone and not notify the police or his family?

I think it's an unlikely scenario, but I don't think the clinic would tell anyone without his consent. I actually did have this with DS, he was safe, but missing (as an adult) and those caring for him encouraged him to contact us, but couldn't actually contact us themselves, unless he asked them to.

He's an esteemed local who is not wanting any negativity towards the island that relies on tourism. I'm 99.9% certain there is no foul play involved..this case has given a mixture of publicity though, this thread proves it

This has been answered many times, it's a mobile phone recording if the cctv footage just to get it shared easier 😁

Isn’t some cctv movement sensitive?

my husband was wondering that too - scrap that just saw above answers

@WitchyWay spot on. My super fit and active 70 yo GP uncle, if faced with sitting on a beach for another 3 hours before the water taxi came back, would absolutely go for a wander and then think nothing of hiking up an unfamiliar hill if the bus looked boring, too long a wait etc. he also wouldn’t have his phone with him as it’s not so ingrained in him to have it with him at all times. None of this is odd to me, having family members who would absolutely do everything MM did on that afternoon.

Unfortunately, I think I agree with you. Unless he has found a water source, it is extremely unlikely he would survive beyond 3 days. I think the theoretical survival time is significantly shortened in hot weather.

I feel for his wife, who will definitely know that from her medical training.

This video shows how rough the terrain is on Symi , very easy to slip and fall.
https://x.com/notlostfilms/status/1799055748544233770?s=46&t=zeqvo7Iw1m8V4kXAX7nn1A

All these people saying people they know would wander off in the heat, fair enough but have you listened to the many locals nearby who say that the path he allegedly took is such tricky terrain that most locals dont use it, its barely a path at all. It simply isnt somewhere you would go for a walk. Maybe equipped as a hiker with the kit but a man alone at 67 in his trainers and a big umbrella, it just doesnt ring true.

By now I would have listened to several hours of his podcasts driving long distance to work and back this week.
I haven't been able to, but his voice is so characterful and soothing, I can't get it out of my head and can't stop thinking about this.

It's so worrying and praying for a good outcome 🙏

This is why I think it’s possible that he didn’t take that path at all. AFAIK they don’t have evidence that he did, only that he was heading in that direction.

Sounds idyllic tbh!

Me too

Looks like to come back into Pedi from the road you would need to walk back past the marina CCTV.

But presumably those locals know the path and that it is tricky where as tourist who has been told take the first path# on the left may well do that assuming it is easier than it looks (e.g. lots of rough terrain has fairly easy paths that follow the natural valleys in the land).

#The person giving directions has forgotten/discounted the first barely there path because they have discounted it.

I wonder if they have checked the water around the harbour. Nobody else there at the time MM walked past.

So are we to assume he never came back to Pedi as he wasn't sighted on CCTV? I hope we can assume all these cameras have been checked to make sure he never returned?!

Doesn't mean to say that it's obviously difficult at the start.

Being on holiday is liberating, we often step outside comfort zones, or choose to be less careful or cautious then we are at home, its part of unwinding and being somewhere new.

I can easily see how he thought he'd walk on, even just to check a view or out of boredom, without giving it too much thought. And it's really easy to become lost and lose the path.

I got lost the path on a well-trodden local walk last week. Turned around to go home and 2 minutes later realised I wasn't where I should be. This was on clearly defined, wide paths and I knew which direction to head in to pick up the familiar route again. Nor was I disorientated from heat & dehydration.

The landscape they're searching in is impossible - it must be like looking for a needle in a haystack. So easy to set off on a lesser-used path and then before long realise you've lost it, in all directions. Without clear landmarks, where all rocks look the same and in blazing light.

Nothing sinister happened here. He got lost in an unforgiving landscape, in brutal heat. A moment's lack of care is probably all it took.

@ducktapez @headstone of course they have. That's how the later cctv sighting came to light. They've had search & rescue out at sea, along the coastline and everyone with a boat is also on alert and looking for him in the water.

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Im inclined to disagree about the needle in a haystack. This isnt a rainforest or the north york moors. It's barren rock everywhere. You'd think a man dressed in blue with a purple umbrella collapsed somewhere would stick out like a sore thumb to a helicopter or drone. Especially given there are certain paths/routes he's unlikely to have deviated from.

I suppose finding someone in the water a day later would be really difficult.

Yeah the water is a different matter. Could he have gone in just moments after the cctv footage at pedi marina? Once past there, the mountain path isn't next to the waters edge so that seems unlikely plus no news reports of divers on that side of the bay today so they mustnt suspect that.

I agree with everything you said except the 'needle in a haystack' point, I really don't think that's the case, the search parameters have become more and more precise. And I still think there's a chance he could be alive.

I would think you’d have to cut back behind the buildings to on the north side of the marina road to not be caught on the camera again, assuming it’s working reliably.

Nothing sinister happened here. He got lost in an unforgiving landscape, in brutal heat. A moment's lack of care is probably all it took.

We don’t know yet. Yes the scenario you outline is clearly the most probable scenario, but that doesn’t make it factually accurate. The police will no doubt be considering all possibilities, including “sinister” ones, however unlikely.