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Thread 3 - Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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ConesFones · 08/06/2024 13:28

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Connected1 · 08/06/2024 18:55

I've been following these threads because I really like Michael Mosley as a presenter, but I've not read every single post so if this has been posted previously, pls excuse.
It's from someone who walked /hiked on Symi in that area, and chose the wrong path. Might give some insight into what can happen.
https://barrysramblings.com/2012/09/29/symi-getting-it-wrong/

Symi: getting it wrong

We have been coming to Symi and walking the mountains for over a decade. ย I spent 3 months in the summer of 2010 on the island doing the research for writing a walking guide, which is unfortunatelyโ€ฆ

https://barrysramblings.com/2012/09/29/symi-getting-it-wrong

LaBelleEtLeBadBoy · 08/06/2024 18:57

IAlwaysTellTheTruthEvenWhenILie · 08/06/2024 18:48

I'm 35 and just came back from a holiday on a peaceful, quiet campsite surrounded in mountains. I very often left my phone at home. I don't think it's odd at all, especially as you say, he will remember days before phones.

Totally. I sometimes leave mine at home on purpose when walking the dog, as if itโ€™s in your pocket you can be tempted to glance at social media, the news, whatever, and find yourself switched off from your environment.

I can well imagine wanting to go for a day at the beach / exploring and have a digital detox and not feel like youโ€™re yoked to the internet constantly.

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 08/06/2024 18:57

The terrain looks incredibly difficult to search. At first glance it appears barren, but there's no unbroken patch of colour or texture anywhere, and when you see rescuers in it, the rocks and grasses come up to their knees. I think they would only be able to spot him if they were on top of him - and that's if he's in the open.
Searching from above, with helicopters and drones would be equally difficult, I think. I think drones would have to virtually skim the ground for observers to spot him.

Afiredancethroughthenight · 08/06/2024 18:59

One ( of the many) things that Iโ€™ve found strange about this whole situation is the original photo from the beach. I know we are all different, but if I was taking a photo of my Dh on the first day of our holiday it would be more staged. Smiles, nice back drop, etc. It just seems strange that his wife took a photo of him staring into a backpack. Perhaps, she had a funny feeling that not all was right with him. Just a thought ( or another wacko theory).

DuckEggy · 08/06/2024 19:00

ducktapez · 08/06/2024 18:45

Why is the mayor saying things like the bolded part below to the media? Surely he can speak to the wife and friends to find the answer, and surely the emergency services already have.

Eleftherios Papakaloudoukas, the islandโ€™s longstanding mayor, said: โ€œWe know he came through Pedi and then walked onwards towards Agia Marina, it is about two miles and a harder walk than from St Nicholas, If he did try and walk that way to Symi then that is a big mistake.
โ€œThere are also many troubling questions here. Why did he leave the beach and his wife and friends?

I don't know any Greeks now, but when I did there were cultural differences in communication. He may not have meant that literally.

DuckEggy · 08/06/2024 19:02

Afiredancethroughthenight · 08/06/2024 18:59

One ( of the many) things that Iโ€™ve found strange about this whole situation is the original photo from the beach. I know we are all different, but if I was taking a photo of my Dh on the first day of our holiday it would be more staged. Smiles, nice back drop, etc. It just seems strange that his wife took a photo of him staring into a backpack. Perhaps, she had a funny feeling that not all was right with him. Just a thought ( or another wacko theory).

She may have been taking a panoramic photo, or this may be clipped from a video.

MiniPumpkin · 08/06/2024 19:02

Afiredancethroughthenight · 08/06/2024 18:59

One ( of the many) things that Iโ€™ve found strange about this whole situation is the original photo from the beach. I know we are all different, but if I was taking a photo of my Dh on the first day of our holiday it would be more staged. Smiles, nice back drop, etc. It just seems strange that his wife took a photo of him staring into a backpack. Perhaps, she had a funny feeling that not all was right with him. Just a thought ( or another wacko theory).

I thought the same at first but Iโ€™m sure it would have been in the background of another beach goers pic..

Sunnyandsilly · 08/06/2024 19:03

ducktapez · 08/06/2024 18:45

Why is the mayor saying things like the bolded part below to the media? Surely he can speak to the wife and friends to find the answer, and surely the emergency services already have.

Eleftherios Papakaloudoukas, the islandโ€™s longstanding mayor, said: โ€œWe know he came through Pedi and then walked onwards towards Agia Marina, it is about two miles and a harder walk than from St Nicholas, If he did try and walk that way to Symi then that is a big mistake.
โ€œThere are also many troubling questions here. Why did he leave the beach and his wife and friends?

I guess as being the mayor of Symi is not like being the mayor of London. Heโ€™s just a normal dude, a local, not media trained. Does some basic duties.

Afiredancethroughthenight · 08/06/2024 19:03

@DuckEggy @MiniPumpkin good points.

BonifaceBonanza · 08/06/2024 19:04

Hmm @JawJaw youโ€™re a bit angry about that.
That is why I said โ€œunlikelyโ€ and โ€œI wishโ€. Iโ€™m also reflecting on some of the earlier speculation that he could have taken a boat off the island, which of course he could have, however unlikely that is.

ButtercupLane · 08/06/2024 19:05

Afiredancethroughthenight · 08/06/2024 18:59

One ( of the many) things that Iโ€™ve found strange about this whole situation is the original photo from the beach. I know we are all different, but if I was taking a photo of my Dh on the first day of our holiday it would be more staged. Smiles, nice back drop, etc. It just seems strange that his wife took a photo of him staring into a backpack. Perhaps, she had a funny feeling that not all was right with him. Just a thought ( or another wacko theory).

Was it confirmed that his wife took the photo?
I had assumed it was a โ€˜sneaky photo of a celebโ€™ photo taken by a tourist who was there and used as it shows exactly what he was wearing and how he looked at the time.
If itโ€™s a photo taken by his wife, then I agree itโ€™s a bit odd.

VariantHela · 08/06/2024 19:05

I've seen pictures of the terrain doing the rounds on X. The description of "treacherous" is understated.

Poor man, and his family. If this is the path he's taken I have a horrible feeling he's tripped/fallen and is hidden from plain sight. It's so heartbreaking x

SabrinaThwaite · 08/06/2024 19:07

Although Symi is described as a small island, the area he may have walked into seems like very challenging terrain to search - lots of exposed limestone potentially with narrow deep joints.

This is the view looking west from Agia Marina, showing the lower area between the two cols.

Thread 3 - Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk
Afiredancethroughthenight · 08/06/2024 19:08

@ButtercupLane I canโ€™t remember where I read it, so who knows if it was from a reliable source.

LaBelleEtLeBadBoy · 08/06/2024 19:09

JawJaw · 08/06/2024 18:50

I know itโ€™s unlikely but Iโ€™m now really hoping heโ€™s had a mental breakdown and is hiding in a clinic somewhere for the time being

@BonifaceBonanza
Which clinic? The population of Symi is only 2,500. If they have a clinic at all, how would he have got there without any taxi driver, bus driver or anyone else noticing? If for some reason he got a ferry to Rhodes someone would have noticed him. Most importantly, what kind of clinic would admit someone and not notify the police or his family?

I think itโ€™s just another way of saying โ€“ I hope there is some other explanation for this that doesnโ€™t involve MM being in danger.

ducktapez · 08/06/2024 19:09

Afiredancethroughthenight · 08/06/2024 18:59

One ( of the many) things that Iโ€™ve found strange about this whole situation is the original photo from the beach. I know we are all different, but if I was taking a photo of my Dh on the first day of our holiday it would be more staged. Smiles, nice back drop, etc. It just seems strange that his wife took a photo of him staring into a backpack. Perhaps, she had a funny feeling that not all was right with him. Just a thought ( or another wacko theory).

The longer this goes on, the more wacko theories will come out. If it was obvious like a cardiac episode you'd expect him to be on the paths and im sure thats where they searched all day today. There's not that much grass to fall into, it's more occasional tufts here and there. No idea on the photo, dont think source is listed.

Westfacing · 08/06/2024 19:10

Afiredancethroughthenight · 08/06/2024 18:59

One ( of the many) things that Iโ€™ve found strange about this whole situation is the original photo from the beach. I know we are all different, but if I was taking a photo of my Dh on the first day of our holiday it would be more staged. Smiles, nice back drop, etc. It just seems strange that his wife took a photo of him staring into a backpack. Perhaps, she had a funny feeling that not all was right with him. Just a thought ( or another wacko theory).

Maybe she released this photo as it was the only one showing his outfit and backpack.

Isitautumnyet23 · 08/06/2024 19:11

MiniPumpkin · 08/06/2024 19:02

I thought the same at first but Iโ€™m sure it would have been in the background of another beach goers pic..

I presumed taken by another beachgoer (perhaps who recognised him?).

RoseAndRose · 08/06/2024 19:11

SallyWD · 08/06/2024 18:52

Lots of people do go walking in very high temperatures (often tourists!). I went to the south of Spain with friends during a heatwave. It got to 46/47 degrees and they wanted to walk around all day! They simply can't relax. They need to be out and about all the time. I can imagine MM being similar - not wanting to lie on a beach all day but wanting to look around.
I also know lots of intelligent men who take risks, such as my DH. He's a university professor but often takes unnecessary risks, in my opinion.
I'm wondering if MM went to the mountain top briefly then slipped when he was descending. I often slip when I'm going downhill. He could have got stuck in a crevice or something. I hope they're examining all the areas on the slope of the mountain.

Yes people do do this and get away with it.

But temperatures over 37 C - ie greater than human body temperature - are hazardous

Trainday · 08/06/2024 19:13

ButtercupLane · 08/06/2024 19:05

Was it confirmed that his wife took the photo?
I had assumed it was a โ€˜sneaky photo of a celebโ€™ photo taken by a tourist who was there and used as it shows exactly what he was wearing and how he looked at the time.
If itโ€™s a photo taken by his wife, then I agree itโ€™s a bit odd.

That's what I thought. It was probably taken by a holiday maker, "look who I've just spotted".

Barkybarkynutnut · 08/06/2024 19:13

Aw as time goes by itโ€™s looking worse isnโ€™t it. So hot and dry and easy to lose ur footing, stumble and roll out of sight. Knock to the head/stroke/ heart attack. I ve been thinking about him and his family a lot. Bloody awful

ducktapez · 08/06/2024 19:13

RoseAndRose · 08/06/2024 19:11

Yes people do do this and get away with it.

But temperatures over 37 C - ie greater than human body temperature - are hazardous

It's one thing out for a walk in 40 degree heat but tackling that terrain is a completely different matter, especially at age 67 and not equipped for it. I cant imagine he scaled that mountain, no proof of it anywhere.

WitchyWay · 08/06/2024 19:14

I may be wrong, but he looks like a very fit and able man who has probably spent much of his life pursuing sports. I have a few GP friends and they all cycle long distance, take adventurous holidays and general don't like to be idle. I can well imagine someone like that not thinking twice of taking a mountain track, especially if someone tells them it's a matter of an hour. Tempting for someone who feels physically fit.

He's clearly a very intelligent individual, I'm sure he risk assessed, perhaps seeing the traffic as a higher risk that the mountain track. Or perhaps thought that was boring and wanted an adventurous walk back home.

Sadly, I suspect he won't be found alive. I can't imagine (although may of course be wrong) that he had much food or water with him, certainly not enough to stay alive over 3 days. I think it's highly likely this is now a recovery operation.

I really feel for his family, the unknown must be torturous and all the what ifs. My thoughts are with them all and every other family who are waiting for a loved one to return or be found.

Durdledore · 08/06/2024 19:15

Can anyone explain something to me? In the video they have of CCTV, why does the camera follow him?

Top of this article but no doubt elsewhere too if you donโ€™t want to click on a Guardian link:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/jun/08/michael-mosley-search-will-not-stop-until-he-is-found-says-symi-mayor-greece

dogmandu · 08/06/2024 19:16

Rollingdownland ยท Today 14:21

@Oaktree55 what are you hoping to achieve with your continued posts?
@Oaktree55 clearly just wants to show us all what an unpleasant maniac she is.

Oaktree has made logical and sensible observations. Others have picked a fight with her, possibly because they themselves are not capable of thinking things through, and get annoyed when others are able to ask perfectly valid questions and not follow the 'party line'. Rollingdownland, I suggest you look in the mirror to find the deserving recipient of your frankly rude insult.

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