Do men have it harder than women with somethings

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Just that i was having a chat to day with someone i know and she said yes men do get a rough time now.
I aske give a reason you think that she said this.

A single young woman went to her housing office afew weeks ago and claimed homelessness she was places in a b&b and giving 56 days to bid on a home and banding will go up to band B.
A single young man came in 2 days later same issue working etc he was told all they can do is give him a sleeping bag and a tent his banding wont go up due to no high needs.
She said both cases were the same both single both working min wage.
But got treated very different.
I was a bit shocked i said well this dont happen much she said it happens more than we know.
After a catch up it got me thinking do some men have it harder than some women.
I know on MN they do but in real life do we not see it as much.
I have to almost adult boys and i think what would i feel like if someone gave them a tent because they are well just men.

I'd rather be a white woman than a black man.

I'm not either though.

I'm raising a strong black son and that terrifies me. My son is more likely to be killed by the police than me.

No they didn't. But men collectively aren't doing anything to change things.

If patriarchy is the sea we swim in and for the most part ordinary men and women are not consciously aware of it, the male collective would not be sufficiently aware of the problem to be able to fix it.

Women's rights have arisen from an oppression that has an obvious, logical cause. And yet only a small proportion of women, globally, are feminists. How much less is male awareness going to be when the roots of their problems are far less obvious, and using the language that describes them brings accusations of "making feminism about men"? "Men's rights activism" is a frequently misapplied and not exactly positive phrase.

Men simply do not have the collective awareness to mobilise and likely never will.

The single woman would have been in priority need of housing, for reasons only known to her, and the Homelessness department. Not you. To say they were 'the same case' is entirely untrue. If he'd been vulnerable/in priority need for some reason then he'd be rehoused too. You surely dont believe single women are rehoused just like that? & in this day and age?! Nobody is that naive, surely.

If everyone agreed 'Yes life is harder for men' what would you gain from that anyway? This must be the 3rd or so post I've lately seen yadda yadda gender war/oh lets keep women talking and thinking about the poor menz style.

I'm a white woman and I agree with you totally x

Many of the things we are told to blame men for are the result of piss poor government policies. We think that men designed this system so it’s only fair when they become victims of it, but I don’t see how this current system in any way favours the needs of the average bloke or even how the average man has any influence over it whatsoever.

Who for example thinks that men vote for war? Or transwomen in female sports? How did men vote for failing schools, a messed up NHS and an ever increasing retirement age by which time the government will claw back everything you worked for anyway? Our current system fails both men and women and tricks us into believing we are in some sort of competition with men over scarce resources.

Men suffer terribly from toxic masculinity which is created by other men.

Both black and white women are murdered, raped and beaten by men in horrifying numbers. In fact, there's no ethnic group that exists where women aren’t terrorised by men. White women, and women of all ethnicities are vastly less dangerous as a group to, literally, everyone than men.

@songaboutjam ""Men's rights activism" is a frequently misapplied and not exactly positive phrase."

I'm not sure it is frequently misapplied, is it? And no, it's not a positive phrase because it's not a positive thing.

I'm not a feminist because the word has no meaning. Libfems pretend prostitution is work, demand male rights and radfemd on the opposite side loathe all men and think only lesbians or women who shun men entirely can be feminists. Yes, they really do.

Then trad wives that they're feminists cos it's all about choices, innit?

When a group is infiltrated and diluted to include all viewpoints who claim your group must include vastly opposing and contradictory ideas the group no longer exists.

I've seen it used to shut down completely legitimate issues that men are within their rights to campaign on (selective service, custody arrangements, shelters for male victims of domestic abuse), just as I've seen it used to describe more "incel" proposals like the right to sex workers' bodies.

The very implication of the phrase "men's rights activism" is that men don't need to complain or campaign on anything because their lives are handed to them on silver platters.

Women didn't send men to The Somme. Old men did.

For every outlier woman who's pro war there are ten million who don't want war, ever and want to protect their sons.

Your viewpoint is completely understandable and I largely share it.

Feminist can mean anything these days.

They need to complain to the men in power, not derail conversations and harass women or try to piggyback services women have fought for.

What gets me is men complaining about paternity pay 🤷🏻‍♀️ suddenly now they are entitled to them the rate (same as SMP) is considered dismal?? Plus why do they need the same amount of time off when they are not doing any of the pregnancy and recovering from birth part? A good chunk of maternity leave can be needed for the pregnancy part if your not in a cushy job (although admittedly many women suffer through to going off nearer the end) but I’m quite pissed off that the pregnancy part is so often not acknowledged when it comes to the whole parental leave debate

@songaboutjam "I've seen it used to shut down completely legitimate issues that men are within their rights to campaign on (selective service, custody arrangements, shelters for male victims of domestic abuse)"
Ah, right. I haven't seen it used in that way. I have seen it used about men who, instead of campaigning completely legitimately for such things, are seeking to gain access to the services that women have campaigned for over the years, often opposed by men. The sort of men who want women to budge up and make room for them, rather than fighting their own battles. I am old enough to remember the outrage amongst men when the first domestic violence shelters were set up.

@Questionsthree "I'm not a feminist because the word has no meaning. Libfems pretend prostitution is work, demand male rights and radfemd on the opposite side loathe all men and think only lesbians or women who shun men entirely can be feminists. Yes, they really do.

That is absolutely not what radical feminism is.

If you "othered" any other group like that here you'd be torn to shreds.

Yes, most of the harm that comes to women is caused by men, but it isn't all men (yes I know) and it doesn't mean people like PP's son deserve to die or make the risks he faces OK.

Of course as a group women are more vulnerable. I'd still rather be a white woman though.

I don't see this as men versus women though. I think their are many different layers.

In my experience though white women don't like a knowledging thier privilege which is why it feels like white feminism doesn't represent a lot of us.

We had to create a movement to literally remind people that black lives matter.

But you can't say "men created this system, therefore individual men should deal with it" any more than you can say "Muslims created their terrorists, so Muslims should deal with it".

My brother has awful mental health, which prevents him from dealing with his physical health issues.

It all stems from the abuse of his father, which in turn had its source from his grandad. But I can't blame the four year old boy that he was for being a victim, witnessing awful things.

Fwiw, a woman presided over the toxic anti woman culture in the Met for a really long time and women are still suffering the effects of our first female Prime Minister.

Is it men or power?

@Questionsthree

Exactly 💯 per cent 👏🏿 👌 this extremely valid on the point of view as yours,

I too have an adult son,
so can see aspects from a senistive young male point of view,

the entilement that some men have in regards of their feelings of when things don't go their way in general in life especially in the regards of dating is off the scale Wild,
🤪 crazy and downright weird...

Just cause the very fact they possess plums and veg and meat 🍖 genitalia

Just cause their precious fragile ego has been hurt for once and they can't cope handle that as you know when it comes to who is interested in dating you or not there 🤷 is no gaurentees in that regards, that things will go your way,
as that's life,

Thats what Arrested development man child ego pandering to such an extant in our society creates so much shit stuff in all sorts of ways..

THIS. ABSOLUTELY THIS.

They are at higher risk of suicide. More likely to fall in the water and drown after a night out as they tend to come home alone at night whereas women rarely do. They are more likely to be violently assaulted by a stranger.

A third of men are virgins by the age age of 30.

can anyone confirm this? I was really surprised by it.