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Atethehalloweenchocs · 09/05/2024 22:05

AnotherCrazyOldCatLady · 09/05/2024 22:04

Yeah, marriage isn't mandatory. You don't need to marry the least worst person you can find!

I felt he was this close to asking if she was a virgin. And I fully expected him to paint her as a weirdo for not having kids.

Yes I was waiting for that to come trotting out.
I am almost through it now, and feel like some good points have come up on both sides.

HappierTimesAhead · 09/05/2024 22:12

AnotherCrazyOldCatLady · 09/05/2024 21:49

You don't get sectioned for having a personality disorder. Because it's not a mental illness and it's not treatable.

Under the Mental Health Act (Scotland), a personality disorder is considered a 'Mental disorder ' and if someone meets all the criteria (including posing a significant risk to themself or other people) then they can be sectioned. I worked with lots of women with personality disorders in psychiatric units and one commonality was experiencing CSA.

Wingding · 09/05/2024 22:14

I am horrified at how this poor woman has been thrown to the dogs on a global scale. She is obviously mentally unbalanced and unwell in some way, and she has been put into the position of being easily identified/outed, and then publicly humiliated and torn apart on a mass scale. It's like some sort of modern equivalent of a Roman spectacle, a medieval parading of fools, a Victorian freak show. Paraded like a fool for all to see and laugh at, without her even seeming to realise how bad it is. It is shameful. Richard Gadd and all involved in the Baby Reindeer Netflix series should be utterly, utterly ashamed. If Gadd wanted some sort of further justice or revenge for the trauma the stalking caused him, and/or wanted his voice heard on it, then he should have done this by other means. Doing a live fringe show and such is one thing - (though this form of 'comedy' genre of shock story personal revelation is cheap, distasteful and dangerous imo) - but this circus is off the scale in terms of dangerous and immoral behaviour. I hope somehow this horror show can all be stopped, and it will be possible she can get some sort of help and support. I can envisage this could, or likely will, end badly otherwise, if/when she realises what has been done to her by the parties in the story, and by the general public witnessing and partaking in the spectacle that this is. Realising she has been turned into a public laughing stock. Placed on a global platform by Piers Morgan to be mocked, laughed at. It is a tragedy not a comedy.

BovineUniversity · 09/05/2024 22:14

I had an ex stalk me after a break up. Pre social media but it was horrible. Nothing like the scale that Richard Gadd was subjected to but it's not just a case of unrequited love or being irritating not getting the message.

It makes you jump every time the phone rings, you leave work etc.

Anyway when I retell it, people can think it's something that got out of hand, and I should be grateful for the attention.

I reported to the police after he damaged my car, and I changed my phone number but it's awful trying to articulate what happened - obviously the difference here was that I did have a relationship with my stalker. Oh and the obvious threats of self harm too.

Horrific.

This woman is vile.

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 09/05/2024 22:24

Jeezitneverends · 09/05/2024 20:38

“People have compared me to Lorraine Kelly “🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'd love to see Lorraine's face at that Grin

Atethehalloweenchocs · 09/05/2024 22:25

Interesting piece on YouTube by the Sun where they have David Wilson speaking and making some really interesting points - he said he was really uncomfortable watched Baby Reindeer 'fascination and horror' and was really worried about how much the information that the viewer might receive from the drama was not information he would advise sharing. He has mentioned PD but that it does not have to be PD, it can be other types of pathology. And has just said that the underlying reasons she stalked may be exacerbated by the media and press.

STIAWH · 09/05/2024 22:28

Four phones and six email addresses. It's obviously not illegal but it's a bit weird, isn't it.

Jessica Gunning did a brilliant portrayal of a woman she'd never met. Maybe Richard Gadd does, indeed, her hundreds of voicemail messages saved that she could listen to in preparation.

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 09/05/2024 22:29

Has the interview been taken off YouTube? I can't see it on PM channel

DragonFly98 · 09/05/2024 22:30

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 09/05/2024 22:29

Has the interview been taken off YouTube? I can't see it on PM channel

No it's the first one on PM uncensored.

DragonFly98 · 09/05/2024 22:31

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 09/05/2024 22:29

Has the interview been taken off YouTube? I can't see it on PM channel

Here

Piers Morgan interview with real Baby Reindeer Martha
TheFormidableMrsC · 09/05/2024 22:31

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 09/05/2024 22:29

Has the interview been taken off YouTube? I can't see it on PM channel

I hope not! I'm going to watch it shortly

SpoonyFish · 09/05/2024 22:32

Kesio · 09/05/2024 14:45

Thing is, when rape goes to court, the victim is painted as a liar or an adulterer or mentally unwell or any kind of bullshit the defence can think of. I've been on the jury for one of these cases. And having done that and seen the "justice" system in action, I'd never report a rape to the police. I will say that some of the stuff that I heard in court had taken place SIX years before it got to the courtroom. And when the witnesses could not remember ridiculous tiny irrelevant details, they were painted as people who had imagined the crimes that had been committed against them!!!!!!!! And predictably, the rapist in this case is happily walking the streets.

I was on a jury panel for a case that it was quite clear from the opening statements that it was rape as the dependent all but admitted it in his police statement but in the course of the first few days his defence barrister (who I have to say I'd want on my team if ever needing legal representation, though hopefully not!!) rattled the plaintiff so much that her barrister withdrew as she wasnt coping well under the questioning. It was horrible to watch so I completely agree with you here.

localshop · 09/05/2024 22:35

Gadd said from the offset that the real Martha never went to prison.

RoseBucket · 09/05/2024 22:39

TBF she looks a little like Lorraine Kelly, interrupts like Lorraine Kelly, ums and erms like her …

AnotherCrazyOldCatLady · 09/05/2024 22:43

Yes, she's as fake and annoying as Lorraine Kelly!

OvaHere · 09/05/2024 22:46

The Times have an article up about the interview with a few quotes from industry people.

I thought this below quote was interesting. I'm not sure how he can say that in all seriousness when Gadd was playing himself and they set it in the same location, in the same pub etc.

Benjamin King, senior public policy director at Netflix, told MPs on Wednesday that “every reasonable precaution had been taken to disguise the real-life identities of the people involved”.

As someone in the article says this could be an interesting test for Netflix as to how far they can push the envelope with docudrama.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1b6a611f-a8de-4b51-a518-9ccc3629cf60?shareToken=959bbdb768ecb32b79c03cb2ad38d4f2

CharlotteLightandDark · 09/05/2024 22:46

IIRC it said ‘this is a true story’ not ‘based on a true story’ like these shows normally do.

‘Based’ implies some sort of artistic license.

Wingding · 09/05/2024 22:51

Atethehalloweenchocs · 09/05/2024 22:25

Interesting piece on YouTube by the Sun where they have David Wilson speaking and making some really interesting points - he said he was really uncomfortable watched Baby Reindeer 'fascination and horror' and was really worried about how much the information that the viewer might receive from the drama was not information he would advise sharing. He has mentioned PD but that it does not have to be PD, it can be other types of pathology. And has just said that the underlying reasons she stalked may be exacerbated by the media and press.

Thanks for flagging this video. I found it, and the criminologists analysis is well informed and an intelligent response.

Crime expert slams Netflix & comic Richard Gadd over Baby Reindeer

Baby Reindeer creator Richard Gadd is the 'real psychopath' and is making money out of lies, claims the 'real stalker'.Fiona Harvey has told Piers Morgan Unc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeepP5cr3a0

SabreIsMyFave · 09/05/2024 22:51

RoseBucket · 09/05/2024 22:39

TBF she looks a little like Lorraine Kelly, interrupts like Lorraine Kelly, ums and erms like her …

LMFAO! Looks like Lorraine Kelly?!! 😂

I did laugh though when this woman was insulted that Piers said she looks the the actress who plays Martha! 😆 She does!

Psychoticbreak · 09/05/2024 22:55

She did not say she looked like Lorraine Kelly she said she has been likened to her as she has dark hair and is Scottish.

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 09/05/2024 22:56

@DragonFly98 I get this!

Piers Morgan interview with real Baby Reindeer Martha
SabreIsMyFave · 09/05/2024 22:58

Psychoticbreak · 09/05/2024 22:55

She did not say she looked like Lorraine Kelly she said she has been likened to her as she has dark hair and is Scottish.

I never said that she said she looks like Lorraine Kelly. I was laughing at @RoseBucket saying she looks like Lorraine Kelly.

SabreIsMyFave · 09/05/2024 22:59

Nearly 1.6 million views now! (The interview.)

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 09/05/2024 22:59

Never mind! I got it. Think my settings filtered it out.

DragonFly98 · 09/05/2024 23:10

Damnyourheadshoulderskneesandtoes · 09/05/2024 22:59

Never mind! I got it. Think my settings filtered it out.

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