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Why do you think some people have no friends?

221 replies

GoodnightJude1 · 03/05/2024 20:01

In your experience why do you think some people have no friends?

Is it because they’re not a nice person?
Is it because they don’t make enough effort with people?
Is it because they only talk about themselves?

OP posts:
Bansheenothree · 03/05/2024 23:20

I don't have many friends anymore.

I've lived all over since I was 18 and as I've got older, it's harder to stay in touch and maintain long distance friendships. Making new friends takes much longer and more effort than it used to when I was younger (I'm in my 40s). I'm not bothered about doing so either.

I have about 3 long standing friends, the closest of which is about 3.5 hours away. I like them a lot and hope we will always be friends but day to day, I'm happy with my husband and son for company. And my parents when I can see them (2 hours away!)

I like my own company and feel much more relaxed in myself as I'm older and know what makes me happy. I can be quite critical as well so find tolerating people more and more draining.

Beautiful3 · 03/05/2024 23:21

Honestly maintaining friendships is hard work, with emotionally and financially with meeting up. I used to make an effort with friends but stopped when I became a sahm. I didn't have time nor any money.

Redpaisely · 03/05/2024 23:22

GoodnightJude1 · 03/05/2024 22:09

@alrightluv

I love music. I guess it’s my escape. Oasis mainly and the Foo Fighters. I’m seeing them both this year (well Liam)

I love oasis too but I like Noel more. Saw him twice last year, had too much fun 😊

WearyAuldWumman · 03/05/2024 23:23

It varies.

There's autism in my family and it affects some of us. In addition, I spent years working full time and caring for my parents and then my parents and my husband. It's amazing how quickly your social circle dwindles under those circumstances.

My confidence has gone. I gave up my job two years before my husband died and that isolated me even more. I've been widowed more than three years now. I've gone back to supply teaching and I manage to put on an act at work, but I'm having difficulty getting out there and meeting people.

Of course, there's also the fact that the few people that I did have contact with latterly mainly knew me as part of a couple and widows can be a bit 'awkward' to fit in at the best of times.

I have no children and no siblings, so that doesn't help either. My husband had children but they went No Contact a couple of months after the funeral. (It's a long story and I'm not blameless.) The last I heard from them was when one of them phoned the solicitor to say that they'd not been able to cash their cheque.

Flowers were left at my husband's memorial last year, so I assume that it was them.

I've tentatively tried to meet people, but I know that I'm socially awkward. I'm fine in a classroom, but teaching involves acting - and I no longer have the stamina to work a full week - I'm in my 60s.

TBH, whenever I become aware of someone having "no friends", my first thoughts are "carer" or "ND".

Fizzadora · 03/05/2024 23:23

Because we don't want them. We are enough, all by ourselves.

RubyWinehouse · 03/05/2024 23:23

If they speak to people like some of the mumsnetters speak to others, then I'm not surprised

Redpaisely · 03/05/2024 23:26

I have stopped making efforts now that I am in 40s. When I was young, I was very naive in thinking friends are like family. A few of my friends turned out to be users and a few I lost contact with when changed countries.

Noyokymum · 03/05/2024 23:29

Am in my 60s and am lucky to have at least 10 friends if I conked out now ,who would circle around and support my family. Love them all and the support would be reciprocated. They don’t know each other but have heard about each other,if that makes sense. Have always avoided friendship circles because that is when it gets messy 🤦‍♀️

candyisdandybutliquorisquicker · 03/05/2024 23:29

Welovecrumpets · 03/05/2024 20:16

See I think part of the issue is that generally speaking people value friendships that are fun and convenient to them, but this is labelled ‘shallow and using’ by others.

Many posters on here seem to think friendship is a very intense, exactly reciprocal experience that involves a lot of ‘support’. Whereas I just want to have a laugh at the pub and a good time. Of course if a friend needs help once in a while I’m happy to do it, but I don’t want to be a support human for somebody that doesn’t bring any fun or enjoyment to my life. I don’t think that’s self obsessed at all.

It seems like ‘friends’ on here are often mistaken for ‘support humans’ and that’s the source of the disappointment.

Completely agree that the notion of friendship seems really skewed on MN. Lots of people with few friends claiming that they don't need the "drama/stress", whereas maybe I've been fortunate, my friends add nothing but positivity to my life. Support when needed but also lots of fun. My female friendships are part of my lifeblood and I would be lost without them.

candyisdandybutliquorisquicker · 03/05/2024 23:31

Screamingabdabz · 03/05/2024 20:20

I haven’t really got any friends but I still have lots of women in my life (through work, extended family and local community) that I chat to, gossip with, laugh with etc. That’s enough for me. I have a full enough life with work and family. My DH is my best friend.

If you can chat, gossip and laugh with them, wouldn't you consider them friends?

MumboJumbling · 03/05/2024 23:35

Icehockeyflowers · 03/05/2024 22:04

I think upbringing has a huge bearing on your adult relationships.

I think my own father was like yours. There were a lot of put downs and criticism and I felt unwanted from a young age. I spent a lot of time on my own in my room staying out of the way, mostly reading and playing imaginary games. I don't remember ever wanting to try new things but I suppose there must have been times I asked if I could do something and the reply was always no so I stopped asking. I wasn't exposed to new things and then felt inadequate, uninteresting and useless.

I lived abroad for a while and can honestly say it was the only time in my life I felt truly happy and free I found I made friends so easily at that stage of my life. I felt the same as everyone else.

Then I moved back here and to a new city and found it harder again. The old feelings resurfaced. Family members made constant put downs and I retreated.

Edited

This is so sad. I had a similar upbringing. Is it possible for you to move abroad again or at least get away from your family? Mine have a very toxic effect on me too.

Moonmelodies · 03/05/2024 23:35

Many people neither need nor want to have friends.

Redpaisely · 03/05/2024 23:36

candyisdandybutliquorisquicker · 03/05/2024 23:29

Completely agree that the notion of friendship seems really skewed on MN. Lots of people with few friends claiming that they don't need the "drama/stress", whereas maybe I've been fortunate, my friends add nothing but positivity to my life. Support when needed but also lots of fun. My female friendships are part of my lifeblood and I would be lost without them.

Not sure about the drama, or the support human, but if you go out of your way to help your friend when they are down or struggle on multiple occasions, it is normal to expect them to show some interest in you when you are in similar circumstances, and when these friends don't show an ounce of concern to you, you are going to think of them as users. Does not mean you did not value the fun part of the friendship. But after such experience, it is normal to not want fun with such people.

ManchesterGirl2 · 03/05/2024 23:43

I think sometimes it is circumstances (e.g. solitary job, no childcare, living somewhere its difficult to meet people), sometimes lack of effort/desire for friends, sometimes it is social skills. The latter can be due to a vast range of reasons including neurodivergence, or not having the chance to learn.

In your case OP it sounds like your low self-esteem is impacting things. Friendships seem to require a sort of robustness and good judgement - you need to be able to put yourself out there and not over-react to slight rejection or friends behaving imperfectly, but you also need to walk away from genuinely bad treatment. I think finding that balance is really hard when you aren't confident in your own worth.

Chypre · 03/05/2024 23:45

The might not want/need friends?…

Noyokymum · 03/05/2024 23:47

candyisdandybutliquorisquicker · 03/05/2024 23:31

If you can chat, gossip and laugh with them, wouldn't you consider them friends?

This ⬆️Even if not close friends?

MissingOutOnLife · 03/05/2024 23:51

I have no friends. Not a single one.

I tried to have friends but I always ended up with people that exhausted me talking about their issues that they'd never try to solve or their addiction to posting naked pics of themselves online for attention or every social occasion having to involve being in a pub...I came to the conclusion that I was just meant to not get along with anyone!

Angrymum22 · 03/05/2024 23:54

Tbry24 · 03/05/2024 23:10

How true. What a great insight. I used to be made to tag along with friends with other friends in the past and then worked out that I’m only invited to make themselves feel better about themselves. I started avoiding those sorts of womens get togethers at all costs and now 25 years later I have no friends. I guess by avoiding the nasty ones I missed out on the nice genuine people.

I’m the same. I have a close friend who I would love to do more with but she is part of a friendship group that I declined to join because of one woman. She’s not all bad but is a bit of an annoying butterfly who can be very confrontational. She likes everyone to think that she was a high flyer with a fantastic career. In fact she worked in an industry where she struggled with the actual job so ended up in marketing. She had her children in her late 20s and has been a SAHM since. So she never climbed the corporate ladder. She’s a bright woman but I always felt that she looked down on me. Perhaps because my DH wasn’t a professional, whereas I was a dentist who had my own practice.

She once asked me if I was comfortable supporting my DH, I asked her whether her DH was happy supporting her, probably not the best reply.

So yes, I agree, sometimes it’s easier to side step some groups to avoid the toxic women. And yes you do miss out on a few friendships.

At times I have been used by so called friends, and that has put me off getting too close to people. Also friends through work can be a problem, particularly when you are the boss. I have always tried to keep things professional to avoid problems. Early on in my career I “fell out” with a couple of women I worked with, they abused their position because they relied on the fact they had formed a close friendship with me. So after that I avoided becoming socially involved.
It’s really hard when you know you could be good friends outside of work.

Now I’m semi retired and starting to meet up with people, like me, that also had careers that didn’t allow them too much social life outside of the family.

I have also started to look at hobbies. Unfortunately when I initially sold my business in 2019 and went part time I had so many plans but then the world went mad and making new friends was impossible.

I’m not a miserable or difficult friend, but during my working life I just didn’t have the time to be a good friend. So I didn’t commit because I hate letting people down.

Noyokymum · 03/05/2024 23:58

Fair to say that today I have been a good friend to two people that I am close to.
Both having a massive stress in their life. Cancer and auto immune disease involved 😞Have given good advice I hope Am meeting up with both over the weekend. Am fortunate I am not working for a few days.

alrightluv · 04/05/2024 00:05

MissingOutOnLife · 03/05/2024 23:51

I have no friends. Not a single one.

I tried to have friends but I always ended up with people that exhausted me talking about their issues that they'd never try to solve or their addiction to posting naked pics of themselves online for attention or every social occasion having to involve being in a pub...I came to the conclusion that I was just meant to not get along with anyone!

Do you like walking? There's always walking groups. Or groups for allsorts tbh. Sounds like you didn't strike lucky with those people. You can still socialise though. It's just finding something you fancy. Meet up and Facebook social groups are good . I run some but rarely go on meet ups. I'm mega sociable though and do have good friends. I started them for others and they've been pretty successful. Don't give up.

acat4life · 04/05/2024 00:11

I do think that luck also plays a big part. I have had a lot of jobs in my working life so have experienced places where I have met friends for life and then moved somewhere where it's hard to keep a conversation going with anyone. Not everyone moves around as much as I have so I can easily see how someone can end up with few or no friends if they found themselves in the latter situation.

Groovy48592747 · 04/05/2024 00:41

It can often be due to none of those reasons though.

I moved away from where I grew up and went to school, in those days we didn't have social media, subsequently those friendships faded away.

Work, my closest colleagues were on average 20-30 years older than me, so I've had work friends but not real friends from there.

Moved house so gradually saw old neighbour friends less, new estate was marketed as an area for young families but instead lots of retired and elderly people live here. Nothing in common with them, my neighbours aren't really friends.

And other life circumstances, people moving into new relationships, having commitments, responsibilities, can mean they are perfectly lovely people but friendships can and do often fade away.

DayDreamAllDay · 04/05/2024 02:47

A mix of all three but also being busy might be a reason too.

I never had a huge number of friends at any one time but had a few as a kid and in my 20s and early 30s. But now with work, being a mum and visiting my family and in-laws, I have no time for much else. I enjoy having coffee and a chat at work with colleagues during a tea break. But long gone are the days I’d go out to hang with the girls.

RedToothBrush · 04/05/2024 02:57

I'm just hardwork cos I'm bonkers.
I'll talk to most people.

Netball01 · 04/05/2024 05:51

I think sometimes it can just be bad luck - at school, I was put in a class with all of the ‘out of area’ pupils (they tried to group you by town but for someone reason I wasn’t).

It was really hard to build decent relationships when I lived 1 hour + away from everyone else so couldn’t easily join in with anything social at the weekends etc so naturally ended up on the outside. Then I had to move classes due to my GCSE choices but by that stage everyone had made their friends and again I was on the edge of it.

However reading some of the threads on here, I do think some people are just completely unwilling to compromise and won’t do something unless it’s something they reallr want to do (thinking of threads where people refuse to go on a hen do because it’s not the activity they wanted… or won’t go round to someone’s house unless they can bring their dog etc)