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Behaviour going to shit in schools

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noblegiraffe · 25/04/2024 17:53

Government data shows that on average schools are losing about a quarter of lesson time to poor behaviour.

"In May 2023, 76 per cent of teachers reported that misbehaviour “stopped or interrupted teaching” in at least some lessons in the past week, up from 64 per cent in June 2022."

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/schools-lose-a-quarter-of-lesson-time-to-poor-behaviour-dfe-survey/

There needs to be discussion about what is going on. As well as poor behaviour in classrooms increasing, school attendance is a massive problem, and internal truancy where kids are in school but not attending lessons is also an increasing issue.

Covid is pointed to as 'breaking the social contract between schools and families' as a reason for increasing absence. One reason for increasing absence is an increase in term-time holidays. I'm not so sure that this is a result of covid and social contracts so much as the cost of living crisis and the extortionate price of holidays out of term time. Increased sickness absence is also an issue. One wonders why the government hasn't clocked the connection between a recent pandemic and increased sickness absence. Their response is to tell parents to send children in when ill. I'm sure that will help.

But why are kids increasingly not behaving when in school?

Social media, lack of parental interest in education etc etc. No doubt they all contribute. But my theory is:

Schools are an increasingly shit experience for kids.

People keep talking about the curriculum being boring and an overloaded and dry curriculum is obviously an issue, but we've had the same curriculum for nearly a decade now. What has been getting worse, particularly in recent years?

Teacher recruitment and retention.
One thing that is massively important in schools for kids is consistency. Consistent teachers that they can build relationships with and rely on are a hugely underrated part of the school experience.

They are not getting that. Recruitment is a massive issue, so instead of having permanent teachers a lot of the time, they are getting supply. Maybe they stay for a few months, then it's someone new. If they're lucky, it's someone who knows the subject. If they're unlucky, it's a different person every day who knows nothing. If they're really unlucky (as in the case with some of my sixth form) it's no one.

Kids see cover lessons in secondary as a doss. They don't expect to have to do any work in them. I see kids head to a class with a cover teacher then the whisper to go down the corridor "Yes! We've got supply!" (Don't get me wrong there are some excellent supply teachers out there, working in increasingly challenging circumstances. But we are also in the situation of having to put a warm body, any warm body in front of a class).

It's happening more and more often. Parents are starting to complain about the amount of cover lessons their children are having. But there's nothing the school can do about it.

I've had kids come to my lesson and say 'miss, I've had cover all morning, I can't be expected to behave now'. And they're bouncing off the walls. Lack of routine, lack of consistency, lack of clear expectations and experience and they can't handle it.

And the amount of classrooms without teachers is increasing. Figures for teacher recruitment next year are grim. They were grim last year.

Expect more cover lessons.

Behaviour going to shit in schools
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Arraminta · 28/04/2024 20:10

StillCreatingAName · 28/04/2024 14:01

I think you misinterpreted my comment- there’s so many vacancies and state system crying out for teachers and staff in schools, both would have taken TA posts but for the pay and conditions. I’m not suggesting they walk into teaching, unqualified, but more there should be some way of recruiting and then retaining those with life experience too, to make up the gaps in staff numbers and lessons that can’t be covered. They’re getting paid well in the independent sector and don’t teach exam subjects.

But what's the point of someone's Life Experience if they don't have any subject knowledge or teaching qualifications?

stickygotstuck · 30/04/2024 12:58

passtheajax · 28/04/2024 11:07

Do you know why this is being highlighted? Because there are far fewer places in SEN schools now. Many have been closed. It's cheaper to keep children in mainstream provision, even if it's unsuitable.

Because ND/SEN children can't cope in today's school environments. I am autistic and adhd and I coped well in school in the 70s because they were far stricter and had a stable workforce and proper rules. Troublemakers were punished properly and held to account.

My autistic ds2 was bullied so badly that he had to keep changing school. He only lasted eight weeks in Year 7 before having to be withdrawn for his own safety. He then went to online school, which we had to pay for. He starts at a top university this autumn.

The shit behaviour is flushing all the ND/SEN kids out, this is why there seems to be more of them.

I agree with this.

Flyhigher · 30/04/2024 22:28

Schools are too big now. Class sizes too big.
It's not good for anyone. Not just ND kids.

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