Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People

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Yes. Rwanda must be laughing their heads off at us (along with rest of the world)
Both shameful and stupid. I've just had someone say to me, 'but none of the Tories wanted Brexit at all'(!) (person voted yes & still think it's a Good Thing)

Meanwhile. not content with not dealing with Rwanda, Rish! is now picking fights with Vietnam.

As someone who wept salt tears at the plight of the Cambodian boat people, this upsets me more than it should.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13364233/Rishi-Sunak-small-boats-migrants-Vietnam-unsafe.html

The other thing about the missing asylum seekers is that they were trying to detain 5,700. Rwanda haven’t agreed to take anywhere near that many. Were they just planning to detain them indefinitely? I know the British value of rule of law doesn’t apply to Tory MPs but surely that’s not legal.

I think it can be. There will be a point when not, but the thing is that if you do not comply with your bail (yea they are bailed out of detention) then this is a reason to further detain you. Honestly I suspect many are trying to leave the UK because the penalty now for not turning up will be harsh. If Rwanda works it will be expanded.

Was the authority to detain immigrants included in the Rwanda Act? I don't understand where the power to detain comes from. Where are they being held? Do they have ant sort of freedom or are they now prisoners? Too many unknowns.

Yes, they can probably detain the 62% they’ve lost if they find them. But I’m not sure you can detain asylum seekers just for being asylum seekers. I thought that was limited to those who’ve had their claim turned down and are about to be deported.

Difficult to argue that applies to nearly 6000 asylum seekers when there is no plan and Rwanda have only agreed to take 200.
Mind you it’s probably some sort of pesky foreign human rights thing so we can ignore it.

https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/migration-and-displacement/refugees-and-asylum-seekers/scared-confused-alone-the-dark-truths-of-immigration-detention#:~:text=It%20is%20an%20administrative%20process,the%20asylum%20and%20immigration%20process.

Apparently we’re the only European country with no limit on how long someone can be detained. Well done us!

I’ve got a feeling the Gatwick detention centre was the source of some controversy a few years ago. Possibly regarding conditions.

It's a long held power since 2002. Much used so nothing exceptional really

I remember the wave of sympathy in my childhood. The rhetoric has changed so spitefully. I'm sure it was very infantilising and othering but at least the media framing was of pity and compassion. (presumably because Communism and Cold War).

And Cambodia was illegally and repeated bombed by the US

There are some modern parallels

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-arrest-13-after-entrance-29084163

These are people who got granted asylum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68927101

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/30/rwanda-uk-asylum-deal-opposition-leader-doubts

What is the value of an agreement between two governments that don't believe in the rule of law?

https://x.com/J_Elliott94/status/1785232068693094671

New homelessness numbers in England out today and the headline is:

Everything going in the wrong direction.

• Record high numbers assessed as homeless/ threatened with homelessness over the last year.

• Record high numbers in temporary accom, including numbers of kids.

Rish! has a plan for that

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-68818509

Or this one, "you will cope"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd18gy0yjl3o

Sounds like a lovely safe country.

In countries around the world, including in the UK, criminals are not allowed to run for office, Rwanda is no different.”

Hmm. I think we’ve decided we’re probably ok with that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68924392

It’s OK, we haven’t lost the asylum seekers. We’re just not in contact with them.

Nice of Victoria Atkins to try and make things better by saying that the Home Office is used to not being in contact with asylum seekers.

I'm mildly surprised they haven't blamed Labour yet.

There is time for it still to be Jeremy Corbyn’s fault.

Well... it's not new problem. Perhaps it's new to Victoria but still, not new

I think everything’s new to Victoria. Not sure she’s the sharpest tool in the box.

That will be a yes then

Ugly moment for the Tory Chairman on whether they've accepted millions more from Frank Hester AFTER scandalous comments surfaced.

RH: "I've got no problem answering questions on this."
JC: "Well, answer them then."
RH: "Any donations will be declared normally in due course."

https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1785323244293124580

Edit for those not on twitter that JC is Jo Coburn and this was on BBC politics live

All of Sunak’s posts on the NI cut and one on the PIP changes have been community noted. Someone out there is doing good work.