Thread 42 Sunak : Ping Pong with the Enemies of the People

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That is horrific.
I'd be questioning the safeguarding team and governors on that policy!

Oh, yes. All the "best" food saved for the "paying" children.

What a fucking world

news.sky.com/story/brexit-border-checks-to-add-billions-to-consumer-bills-13125846

They didn't put this on the side of a fucking bus 😡

Who'd have thought that more checks because we left the EU would mean more costs on imported food?

Quite impossible to have known that.

Many of the leading Brexit campaigners were clear that the UK would stay in the single market, thus negating the need for such checks, but unfortunately the government got taken over by a different group of the people who didn't realise that the UK hed all the cads.

I know Brexit is bad; but honestly did people think that making our relationship harder and trade more difficult with the EU was going to be cheaper?

It's the only trade deal in history that put up barriers instead of taking them down. This is what Brexit voters wanted. Barriers mean more costs for consumers. Trade deals are designed to remove them and make for easier and thus cheaper trade.

We absolutely did this to ourselves. No other country has ever made a deal like us which was designed legally to make it harder and more expensive.

It is very thoughtful of the asylum seekers to do a runner during an election week.

Well done Sunak! What a triumph of a plan.

Those stickers are horrible @MrsMurphyIWish

You are poor so cannot be trusted with a choice.

I know Brexit is bad; but honestly did people think that making our relationship harder and trade more difficult with the EU was going to be cheaper?

That is what people were told.

They knew what they voted for

Project Fear

The irony, also from that tweet

The document also reveals concerns that MPs could succeed in delaying or cancelling the deportation of migrants by submitting last-minute representations.

Again they don't seem to understand that the risk of crossing the channel is better than being in a camp in France or in the countries they came from.
We must have the most expensive refugees in the world! If only it wasn't being spazzed up the wall on flights and was being put into councils to actually home them.

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2024/04/29/if-300-people-are-sent-to-rwanda-it-would-cost-2-million-per-person/

Another Brexit bonus......

This is interesting. I note

• The departure rate from Rwanda. If a person relocated to Rwanda decides to leave the East African country, the UK would stop its per-person payments to Rwanda and pay £10,000 to facilitate the person’s voluntary departure. As a result, the more relocated people decide to leave Rwanda, the lower the cost of the policy.

So, we are relying on Rwanda being honest about the amount of refugees still there too? What could possibly go wrong?

What's that saying, give a refugee £10,000 and watch him settle into work?

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/the-uncertain-financial-implications-of-the-uks-rwanda-policy/#:~:text=The%20finances%20of%20the%20Rwanda%20policy,-Under%20the%20Rwanda&text=According%20to%20an%20investigation%20by,people%20are%20relocated%20to%20Rwanda.

Makes you wonder who negotiated this deal,

We already had Australia and New Zealand TV laughing at our trade deal.

So, we are relying on Rwanda being honest about the amount of refugees still there too? What could possibly go wrong?

Rwanda have stitched the UK up like a kipper - and they aren't so dumb as to not see the irony in that statement. The UK ha basically fallen for a pretty unsophisticated version of the Nigerian Prince scam emails that used to do the rounds.

He did this with the leadership election - a sudden lurch to the right in a desperate bid to win votes away from Truss. He doesn't seem to realise that this time around the electorate is not the Bufton-Tuftons who pay their Conservative Party membership fees.

In some respects it's okay. Zero tariffs for example. But in every other respect it is poor because the logic of it is that the UK must take on the functions of the EU and either replicate or enhance them to make it work. So it is expensive and more difficult. I do not think that this was a good idea. It is more bureaucratic and difficult. That is "sovereignty" in practice

And the likelihood is that the people they can locate are the families who are settled somewhere because their children are in school etc. It's not going to be a good optic hauling children out of those schools and shoving them on planes, as opposed to the single young men the Tories were no doubt hoping to focus on.

Knock knock.
"Is <asylum seeker> here ?"
<answer in a language the officers can't understand>
There goes 2 man days

Knock knock.
"Is <asylum seeker> here ?"
"They've popped to the shops. No idea when they will be back. You can wait."
There goes 2 man days

Knock knock.
"Is <asylum seeker> here ?"
"Here I am"
"We are removing you to an approved asylum centre"
"Oh, OK. Very good"
<some point down the line fingerprints show they have the wrong man>
There goes 2 man days

MNetters are free to carry on this Rish! inspired version of "I went to the market"

SerendipityJane

It wasn't hard. Pretty much a retread of why the poll tax was never going to work.

I know Brexit is bad; but honestly did people think that making our relationship harder and trade more difficult with the EU was going to be cheaper?

They must have, because they were endlessly proclaiming it on here.

I hope that local people might turn out to protest if that happens.

Many people did not believe Politicians would lie in such a brazen way.

Then there were the better off, who can afford higher prices in return for not being ruled by foreign courts/unelected etc blah blah bla... until they found all about the 90 day rule and wrecked retirement plans...

I think Brexit and its clear failure, is associated with the Tories and thats one reason (among many) why, despite a hefty cut in taxes, their polling is still shit.

I’m not sure they have done a runner this week. The Home Office have had to admit before that they’ve lost track of all the asylum seekers. It’s just that being the political genius that Rishi is he’s decided that an election week is a good week to emphasise this fact.