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Ukrainian house guest doesn't want to leave!

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reallyneedmoresleep · 20/04/2024 13:59

We've had a Ukrainian house guest for the last six months via the Homes for Ukraine scheme. When she came to live with us, we said it would be for a six month period and at the last welfare check we confirmed that she would need to move out by mid-May.
She doesn't want to leave. She has asked several times if she can stay, we have said no. She says our house is much nicer than where she can afford to move to.

I have visited estate agents with her who advise that to rent privately, she either needs a guarantor (we are not prepared to do this) or to pay six month's rent plus the deposit up front. She cannot afford this.

What do we do?

I know the situation in Ukraine is appallling and I am writing from a position of immense priveledge but we have found it really difficult having someone else in our home. She is not an easy person to be around, does not work, has refused all offers to be taken to support groups and frequently just hangs around us when we are in the house when we are trying to work or just to chill. Our son is home from uni in a couple of weeks and we need the room back.

There has been radio silence from the council Homes for Ukraine scheme.
How can I help her to move on?

OP posts:
AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 01/06/2024 20:25

As I suggested, I don't think the poster can be paying much tax if it would take her a thousand years to repay what she's had out of the exchequer during the past two years.

(Or he has.)

ArnottL · 01/06/2024 21:18

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 01/06/2024 20:11

Paying taxes? Wowzers. It will take them 1000 years to pay back what Britain gave them. Paying taxes, my arse.

Well as two of them are in high paying jobs and the third has just gone back to Ukraine and is working as a graphic designer (so no longer costing us anything) I'm not sure how you work that out.
Are you aware that in 2022 53.8% of UK individuals were net recipients - living in households receiving more in benefits than they paid in taxes.

As they are independent young women in privately rented accommodation, without dependents I think they are certainly net contributors.
Maybe you should check whether you're a net contributor before you start throwing around your accusations.

UK natives who are net recipients - I am fine with that. Their ancestors, generation after generation built up Britain. This country is built on their sweat, blood and hard work (I am not disregarding colonial contributions, which were huge). There is such a thing as a moral contract between generations - briefly put, my grandfather was working and happy to suffer shortages, lack of socialised medicine, etc., hoping that his direct descendants will be living a better life, that they will benefit, not some randos who rocked up here because our government is soft. So UK natives who are net recipients have been paid for by their ancestors, I draw a huge distinction between natives and non-natives when it comes to unemployment benefits. I also seriously doubt that these young Ukrainian women are in highly paid jobs, I am sorry. What do they do? Consultant surgeons? Solicitors in commercial arbitration and litigation? (Because garden variety solicitors and barristers are not well paid and graphic designers are two a penny in salary stakes). If they are in such lucrative jobs why did they run all the way to the soft-touch UK and not settle, for example, in Switzerland? Or Germany? I have heard so many lies from the new arrivals about 'contributing' and paying taxes that I am sorry, I don't believe a word of what they say.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 01/06/2024 21:36

How fortunate your grandfather was to be able to foresee the NHS...

Mine was a Jewish refugee from Germany.

Go and wash your mind out with soap and water. It can only improve it.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 01/06/2024 21:53

Right so NOT a net contributor. Possibly on unemployment benefit. But that's okay because you're British and your relatives were British so you're therefore deserving, where as young women fleeing war are, in your opinion, not.
Let's not forget the people of Ukraine are paying with their lives to keep a tyrant at bay and your main complaint seems to be that you haven't got quite as much as you'd like because of refugees.

Just to be clear the Ukrainians I am talking about don't have to be brain surgeons or astro physicists to make a contribution that just need to be self supporting, paying council tax, privately renting, paying tax on their income and not claiming benefits - they meet this criteria.

A PP is right you aren't a very nice person, you sound very bitter.
Let's hope you never have to rely on the kindness of strangers, maybe you'd be unlucky enough to come across someone just like you.
I doubt whether this conversation is going to make any difference to your mind set so I won't be responding to any more of your bile.

Temushopper · 16/06/2024 09:45

ArnottL · 01/06/2024 16:34

Paying taxes? Wowzers. It will take them 1000 years to pay back what Britain gave them. Paying taxes, my arse.

We had two women stay with us for 9/15 months. In total we were paid £6k for hosting and the council received around £20k. One of the girls also claimed UC for a while (amounted to around another £6k in total). So assuming they are average the U.K. government spent about £16k each on them. One of them was always working and paying a small amount of tax but left to take a new job in Spain after 6 months. Overall she won’t have “repaid” the amount spent though since some of the £10k to the council for her coming here went into improving services local people also access it didn’t exactly cost a massive amount to host her. The second has been working full time for over a year and her tax/NI contributions amount to around £7k annually. She’ll easily become an overall net contributor if she remains in the U.K. If the other had remained here I’m sure she would have become an overall net contributor (financially) over time too but she was looking everywhere she could to find a job where she could fully support herself and went for the first one she was offered.
Many of the Ukrainian people we met took jobs in care, hospitality, cleaning and similar. I’d argue even if the never pay back their costs in money they are still making a contribution as the country has a shortage of staff for these roles and we need people to fill them for services and leisure activities to be available to us all.
I’m sure there will be refugees who are just out for whatever they can get for nothing. Some people are like that. All about what they can get and not what they can contribute. Selfish, mean etc. You presumably already know that though as you are like that 🤷🏼‍♀️
Hopefully if you are ever in the desperate position the young women we hosted found themselves in you’ll find someone like me willing to help you rather than someone like yourself who’d presumably leave you to be raped by enemy troops or tortured or shot if it meant they’d be marginally better off that way.

eggplant16 · 16/06/2024 10:01

I am "pro refugee" But an interesting point about Switzerland not being a destination.
Nobody wants to " take in" people from Sudan or Nigeria.

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