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People using the wrong words for things - does it drive anyone else up the wall?

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LanisHouseLot · 12/04/2024 22:55

I was recently staying with relatives and one kept offering and making Welsh rarebit. Lovely! Except that it was just cheese on toast. I like cheese on toast too but it is definitely not Welsh rarebit. I had to bite my tongue from saying anything because despite feeling enraged i have no desire to make anyone feel stupid or corrected. But it was bubbling up inside nonetheless!

Today I saw a 'High Tea' event advertised. Little sandwiches and cakes, cups and saucers etc - clearly afternoon tea rather than high tea. Why does it bug me so much that I'm still thinking about it and wanting to tell the organiser, and all the women looking forward to their high tea, that they've made a terrible mistake and that high tea isn't what they think it is?! Does anyone else find it unbearable?

I am similar about apostrophe misuse and spelling mistakes (despite not seeing my own mistakes half the time Blush). These errors are even more infuriating because it is entirely the wrong thing being described.

OP posts:
VestibuleVirgin · 13/04/2024 14:02

splatmouse · 13/04/2024 09:58

That's not what an abbreviation is. An abbreviation is a shortened word, eg, 'doc' is an abbreviation of the word 'doctor', 'vs' is an abbreviation of the word 'versus'.

What you're referring to is an acronym. Examples of acronyms include 'asap' being an acronym of as soon as possible or USA being an acronym of United States of America.

Unfortunately enough people have used the word abbreviation incorrectly that it's now accepted as an umbrella term for any shortening of a word or phrase.

Errm, acronym only applies if you can make a word from the initial letters, WHO is, as is NASA, NATO, etc.
USA is an initialism, as is DWP, MN, etc

TimeandMotion · 13/04/2024 14:04

VestibuleVirgin · 13/04/2024 14:02

Errm, acronym only applies if you can make a word from the initial letters, WHO is, as is NASA, NATO, etc.
USA is an initialism, as is DWP, MN, etc

Does anyone actually say WHO as the word “Who”?

I’ve always read it out as W pause H pause O .

VestibuleVirgin · 13/04/2024 14:07

TimeandMotion · 13/04/2024 14:04

Does anyone actually say WHO as the word “Who”?

I’ve always read it out as W pause H pause O .

I agree; suspect we don't use it to refer to the organisation because saying 'the president of the who made a statement...'
But it still falls within the definition!

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 14:14

@VestibuleVirgin , I don't use the Oxford comma. It's standard for an organisation to be consistent.

I despair at people saying they don't know how to use a semi-colon; it's so useful.

@VestibuleVirgin , WHO isn't an acronym. As a pp it's W H O not Who.

TimeandMotion · 13/04/2024 14:15

VestibuleVirgin · 13/04/2024 14:07

I agree; suspect we don't use it to refer to the organisation because saying 'the president of the who made a statement...'
But it still falls within the definition!

Nope, I reckon that if the word is never spoken and the letters are read out individually, it’s not an acronym. It is just coincidence that the initialism makes an existing word, or a letter combination that is not a pre-existing word, but is capable of being read like a word (eg NASA).

My work involves EASA, IATA and ICAO. I have had people not in the industry say them to me using the individual letters and it’s really thrown me because in the industry we read them as words. But nobody says Yoofo for UFO 😂. I guess you just have to learn individually how reach one is used.

sunglassesonthetable · 13/04/2024 14:16

Personally I hate semi colons. If I'm ever tempted to use one I feel like my writing has got too wordy and complicated. I go back and try to simplify the sentences.

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 14:29

I love them. My writing is never too wordy or complicated.

sunglassesonthetable · 13/04/2024 14:31

You're probably much better at it than me 👍🏻

Legoninjago1 · 13/04/2024 14:32

I'm a pedant too and also just like people to make an effort before blurting out random rubbish!!!!
My DH becomes enraged when he hears people say 'the proof is in the pudding....' umm not it's not!

Legoninjago1 · 13/04/2024 14:33

High tea is most definitely the evening meal. Afternoon tea is the sandwiches and cakes at 3ish.

sunglassesonthetable · 13/04/2024 14:36

Interesting how words evolve.

Now that the original meaning of High Tea has been pointed out to me I reckon, from anecdotal experience, that it will come to mean something different over time. And already does tbh.

pastypirate · 13/04/2024 14:44

An acronym is pronounced phonetically surely so if USA was thus we would say 'oooosah'. Or 'yew-sa'. So I think USA is an initialisation. An abbreviation surely would be just 'the states' or 'America'.

DeanElderberry · 13/04/2024 14:50

USA is an initialisation

ditto UK

mostly

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 14:56

High tea would be late afternoon or early evening.
The proof is in the pudding annoys me too. It's not in the pudding, it's in the eating.

The posts saying 'going against the grain' annoy me. They invariably mean 'going against the flow'.

Posts suggesting the OP speak to a councillor or get some councilling. Angry

CarolinaInTheMorning · 13/04/2024 14:57

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 14:29

I love them. My writing is never too wordy or complicated.

I love semi-colons, but I can be a bit wordy. My brother has said that if I ever get kidnapped, and the kidnappers are using my phone to make the family think I am okay, if there are no semi-colons or serial commas, he will know it is not I.

TimeandMotion · 13/04/2024 15:40

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 14:56

High tea would be late afternoon or early evening.
The proof is in the pudding annoys me too. It's not in the pudding, it's in the eating.

The posts saying 'going against the grain' annoy me. They invariably mean 'going against the flow'.

Posts suggesting the OP speak to a councillor or get some councilling. Angry

I suppose, at a stretch “the proof is in the pudding” could be OK- the original phrase is “the proof of the pudding is in the eating”

Eating involves consuming what is in the pudding. So the proof that you gain of the pudding’s merits is indeed to be found inside or “in” it…

I think, however, that what people are thinking of when they say this is Xmas pudding with sixpences hidden in them.

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 16:04

The real value of something can be judged only from practical experience or results and not from appearance or theory.

The proof isn't in the pudding at all. It is in the eating of the pudding.

TimeandMotion · 13/04/2024 16:11

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 16:04

The real value of something can be judged only from practical experience or results and not from appearance or theory.

The proof isn't in the pudding at all. It is in the eating of the pudding.

Was that to me?

lazyarse123 · 13/04/2024 16:13

We were in a cafe yesterday and at the next table was a lady telling her friend that she'd got a dog. She explained his name was Kofie and she liked it because it was only one syllable. I could barely eat my food for biting my tongue.

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 16:15

@TimeandMotion , yes.

TimeandMotion · 13/04/2024 16:18

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 16:15

@TimeandMotion , yes.

OK, can you explain a bit further then? Are you saying that one can’t equate consuming the contents of something with having the experience of eating it?

ArchaeoSpy · 13/04/2024 16:39

i use different words at times , generally to seem more politer as you never know whos listening

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 16:58

Are you saying that one can’t equate consuming the contents of something with having the experience of eating it?
Not at all. I'm saying you won't know if something is a success until you experience it.

Say I got a new car. I won't know if that purchase was a success until I've used it.
It might be perfect on paper but not suitable for my needs.
The proof won't be in the car, it will be in using the car.

parkrun500club · 13/04/2024 17:01

Blurrymornings · 12/04/2024 23:08

Saying half term when it’s the Easter holiday. The Easter holiday is at the END of the spring term (which schools don’t even use anymore as the spring term is now terms 3 and 4).

Oh yes this is the latest thing to irrationally irritate me as well :)

PleaseAskSomeoneWhoGivesAFuck · 10/10/2024 04:21

thedendrochronologist · 13/04/2024 09:10

Yes I agree and I too am A pedant.

rarebit has ale, eggs and mustard in among other optional things.

High tea is a full meal, cream tea is tea and cream scones, and afternoon tea is cakes, scones, sandwiches and savouries.

And yes, that is an Oxford comma.

Yayyy!!
I love an Oxford! They serve an important purpose ( tho' sadly, often mis-used)
Down with that MP (Coffey) who banned them from official documents