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People using the wrong words for things - does it drive anyone else up the wall?

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LanisHouseLot · 12/04/2024 22:55

I was recently staying with relatives and one kept offering and making Welsh rarebit. Lovely! Except that it was just cheese on toast. I like cheese on toast too but it is definitely not Welsh rarebit. I had to bite my tongue from saying anything because despite feeling enraged i have no desire to make anyone feel stupid or corrected. But it was bubbling up inside nonetheless!

Today I saw a 'High Tea' event advertised. Little sandwiches and cakes, cups and saucers etc - clearly afternoon tea rather than high tea. Why does it bug me so much that I'm still thinking about it and wanting to tell the organiser, and all the women looking forward to their high tea, that they've made a terrible mistake and that high tea isn't what they think it is?! Does anyone else find it unbearable?

I am similar about apostrophe misuse and spelling mistakes (despite not seeing my own mistakes half the time Blush). These errors are even more infuriating because it is entirely the wrong thing being described.

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PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 13:01

@Funkyslippers , I agree. Have you tried a mac'n'cheese pie? I won't make that mistake twice.

TimeandMotion · 13/04/2024 13:03

LyndaSnellsSniff · 13/04/2024 12:55

... really want some Welsh rarebit now.

I have a Glaswegian friend who uses 'carmel' rather than 'caramel' and refers to school dinners as 'dinner school'. Is the 'dinner school' thing a localisation? I'd never heard it before and I grew up in South West Scotland, so not too far from Glasgow.

I come from just north of Glasgow and have never heard “dinner school” before. Always school dinners to me, though one thing I have always thought interesting is that it’s less common in Scotland than it is in the north of England to call your midday meal “dinner”. Most people of all classes call it “lunch”. Yet the phrase used in Scottish schools is definitely “school dinners” not “school lunch”. For example the Singing Kettle have a fab song called “School Dinners”.

“Carmel” though- yes. Often people say “Tunnocks carmel wafer.”

sunglassesonthetable · 13/04/2024 13:12

Love Mac'n'cheese but I have family in the US. They would look at me with side eyes if I said 'macaroni cheese' as if I'd just called a pram, a perambulator .

Alex Drake · 13/04/2024 13:14

I'm in NE Scotland and I know a High Tea as toast, followed by a cooked meal then a selection of cakes with tea or coffee.

soupfiend · 13/04/2024 13:17

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 12:24

There isn't any egg in a Welsh rarebit. You can put a poached egg on top to make a buck rarebit.

Many recipes for it call for an egg yolk in the roux mix, you dont have to, but I love rarebit, it should be butter, flour, milk, beer, cheese, mustard, egg yolk.

OkPedro · 13/04/2024 13:19

CelesteCunningham · 13/04/2024 12:33

Sleeping policeman is a common term in Ireland too. I'd say it's pretty widespread.

Is it 🤔 I've lived in Ireland for over 40 years and I've never heard a soul call speed ramps/bumps a "sleeping policeman" especially as we don't generally call the gardai, police.. Are you in the north?

TorroFerney · 13/04/2024 13:23

As an aside, when i was a child and I read Welsh rarebit in books I used to misread it as Welsh rabbit and just assumed it was rabbit on toast which the posh people in my books were eating.

CelesteCunningham · 13/04/2024 13:23

OkPedro · 13/04/2024 13:19

Is it 🤔 I've lived in Ireland for over 40 years and I've never heard a soul call speed ramps/bumps a "sleeping policeman" especially as we don't generally call the gardai, police.. Are you in the north?

No (well, yes now Grin), both parents from Dublin would've said it occasionally.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 13/04/2024 13:23

PedantScorner · 13/04/2024 12:45

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow , where does The Ritz advertise High Tea? I can only find afternoon tea.

I'm from the North and 'Tea' was a sandwich and a cake after school.
Dinner was at lunchtime. My parents were self-employed and WFH.

Friends would have a cooked meal called 'Tea' after their father came home from work.

Afternoon tea would be a more formal version of sandwiches and a cake.

High tea would be usually a sit down meal - usually a ham or chicken salad eaten with a knife and fork, followed by cakes.

Edited

This is what l know as high tea. Cold meat or fish, salad, cheese, sandwiches and cakes.

shoppingshamed · 13/04/2024 13:28

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 13/04/2024 13:23

This is what l know as high tea. Cold meat or fish, salad, cheese, sandwiches and cakes.

You haven't answered where the Ritz are doing high tea

OkPedro · 13/04/2024 13:29

CelesteCunningham · 13/04/2024 13:23

No (well, yes now Grin), both parents from Dublin would've said it occasionally.

Well that's a new one on me! I might start calling them that 😁

CelesteCunningham · 13/04/2024 13:30

OkPedro · 13/04/2024 13:29

Well that's a new one on me! I might start calling them that 😁

Maybe they just used it from TV or something, but I certainly grew up hearing it.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 13/04/2024 13:36

Misthios · 13/04/2024 11:09

On the Oxford comma - this isn't an error as such; it's largely stylistic. I do a lot of work in the US market and they like it. Here in the UK (and Australia, Canada) it's not as common.

Use it or don't use it, I'm not particularly bothered. But be consistent.

True. I'm American, and I always use the serial comma.

shoppingshamed · 13/04/2024 13:37

CelesteCunningham · 13/04/2024 13:30

Maybe they just used it from TV or something, but I certainly grew up hearing it.

Sleeping policemen is a completely normal phrase, maybe young people wouldn't know it as its probably fallen out of use like frogman or jam sandwich (car not foodstuff) but otherwise an everyday phrase

DrJoanAllenby · 13/04/2024 13:38

Many people say bee instead of wasp when spying one hovering near them.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 13/04/2024 13:38

@Misthios, I used to see ‘rest bite’ a lot on a forum for carers of people with dementia. But even my fully-paid up inner pedant couldn’t get too irate about it - the poor things were desperate for a ‘bite’ of ‘rest’.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 13/04/2024 13:40

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 13/04/2024 13:23

This is what l know as high tea. Cold meat or fish, salad, cheese, sandwiches and cakes.

Plus bread and butter, and tea in a pot.

171513mum · 13/04/2024 13:41

Bluevelvetsofa · 13/04/2024 09:35

Considering that I don’t have anything positive to say about the organisation, I’m irritated by the use of Ofstead to describe Ofsted. It’s an abbreviation for Office for Standards in Education. Plus the idea that contracting that organisation would be the first step in resolving an issue with your child’s school.

I am a pedant too.

If we're being pedantic, you definitely can't 'contract' Ofsted but you might (pointlessly) contact them.....

CarolinaInTheMorning · 13/04/2024 13:43

I use staycation to mean a holiday in your own country, as does everyone I know.

Not in my country. I live in Georgia (the one in the US). If I go on holiday in Hawaii, that is definitely not a staycation.

Bluevelvetsofa · 13/04/2024 13:49

@171513mum typo. I should have proof read properly.

shoppingshamed · 13/04/2024 13:52

CarolinaInTheMorning · 13/04/2024 13:43

I use staycation to mean a holiday in your own country, as does everyone I know.

Not in my country. I live in Georgia (the one in the US). If I go on holiday in Hawaii, that is definitely not a staycation.

I know it's like before the word was invented all those holidays I ones own country didn't exist

It seems to have become more common since COVID and there been a collective memory loss of times before that

VestibuleVirgin · 13/04/2024 13:54

thedendrochronologist · 13/04/2024 09:10

Yes I agree and I too am A pedant.

rarebit has ale, eggs and mustard in among other optional things.

High tea is a full meal, cream tea is tea and cream scones, and afternoon tea is cakes, scones, sandwiches and savouries.

And yes, that is an Oxford comma.

Thank you for the OC! My favourite, barely used correctly if at all.
The Health Secretary under Liz Truss banned them from department reports. There is no hope...

CarolinaInTheMorning · 13/04/2024 13:59

TorroFerney · 13/04/2024 13:23

As an aside, when i was a child and I read Welsh rarebit in books I used to misread it as Welsh rabbit and just assumed it was rabbit on toast which the posh people in my books were eating.

I'm pretty sure that it was originally called "rabbit," and "rarebit" came into use later.

Jibberty · 13/04/2024 14:00

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Well the Ritz advertise it as high tea….

I suspect this is one of the north/ south things. A cooked tea is just called tea in the north.

No they don't.
^
From their website:
^
The term high tea originates from the evening meal of the working classes during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries and is still used today but is often abbreviated to ‘tea’. Consisting of a substantial meal of bread, cheese, meat, and vegetables and often accompanied by hot cup of tea, it was eaten after weary workers returned home at 6pm. One theory for the meal being called ‘high tea’ is because it was eaten at a high table or counter, rather than the low tables that Afternoon Tea was customarily served on.
Meanwhile, a cream tea is simply the scone element of an Afternoon Tea, served alongside clotted cream or butter and strawberry preserve, as well as a cup of tea (naturally). Cream tea is most associated with the West Country in England, an area which is the epicentre of another scone-based debate still to come.
Hence why at The Ritz, we call our offering of finger sandwiches, scones, pastries and cake, Afternoon Tea, tracing back to the custom started by the Duchess of Bedfordd* when she had a desire for a light snack in between lunch and dinner. Phew, glad we got to the bottom of that one.

TimeandMotion · 13/04/2024 14:02

VestibuleVirgin · 13/04/2024 13:54

Thank you for the OC! My favourite, barely used correctly if at all.
The Health Secretary under Liz Truss banned them from department reports. There is no hope...

There was no Oxford comma in @thedendrochronologist ’s post.

I’m surprised you thought there was, given you profess to be such a fan?