What incels reckon makes a good woman:

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This is the list posted by a bunch of morons who should not be allowed the internet:

Loses weight after pregnancy
Low body count/dresses modestly
Dress size 12 or lower / no FUPA
Waist to hip ratio 0.7
No trauma
Balanced PH levels/bubblegum pink
Reasonably sized forehead/areolas
Can cook and clean
No single mums
No stretch marks
Open to labiaplasty
Has low iron levels
Can spell coconut with her waist
Not a feminist
Not moody during her period
Doesnt believe in starsigns
Doesnt nag

At first I laughed SO HARD - wtf does low iron levels even mean? But then honestly I started to feel sad and angry that this bullshit incel culture and porn is shaping young mens approaches to what women should be.

Its SO gross.

Right. Seems an odd choice of thread to do that on unless your ex colleague is here to be dug at 😂

I mean the incels would probably not like her. What with the status of the future single mother/condom pricking. I just wanted to add a point to their little list. And make a joke just as a certain other poster did. If she does not like my joke, then she should stop being so sensitive.

I think the relationship between women and incels is perfectly summed up by the phrase "men are scared women will laugh at them, women are scared men will kill them".

Pretty sure they won’t match up (at all) to a list we could produce for the perfect man!

Don’t read it.

Maybe we can make a list. Here's my contribution:

1. My perfect man would be one who doesn't spend his time sitting online, being angry and confused why women don't want to sleep with men who try to make them feel bad and promote other men abuse women.

2. They shouldn't try to take it out their anger on women for having enough sense to prefer men who want to make them feel good.

The perfect man would have boundless energy so he could do his job then come home and do the housework and they stay up all night with the baby ?

Good start @LilyPAnderson.

I’d add-

-Someone who sees me as a whole human being, not a possession to be displayed or used.
-Someone who puts as much of an effort into being a decent parent as I do.
-Someone who takes responsibility for their own life, who acknowledges their shortcomings and works at overcoming them rather than blaming others for them.
-Someone who makes me multiple cups of tea every day and has a fantastic beard*

*This last one of course is negotiable, but the current husband meets all of these criteria. Has been current husband for 20 years and I think I’ll keep him a bit longer.

Just one on my list - the perfect man treats me as his equal.

Written by a guy with a micro penis who probably lives with his mum. He’d have a field day if he ever met me.
Low iron levels? Do they want a tired woman? 🤣

Some of the Incel views are strangely Victorian- women are over emotional creatures who can't be trusted with their own sexuality, they must be hustled into marriage before their vile lack of morals leads them astray, women shouldn't use their minds too much because it's bad for them, they should be running a household because women don't have the intellect for serious work. It's a curious counterbalace to reality - the more women lead corporations, win Nobel awards, live their own lives, the more they want to take us all back to a time when women "knew their place".
Society moves on and there are always people who can't cope with that, men for generations were always top of the tree and some find the changes too hard to cope with, their outrage twists itself into real hatred.

the more women lead corporations, win Nobel awards, live their own lives, the more they want to take us all back to a time when women "knew their place"
If women are subjugated then even the lowliest of men can console himself that he is at least above all the women.
But if women are treated as fully human then said lowliest men are at the back of a much longer queue.
The need to keep women subjugated is driven partly by the need to appease the worst men

@0sm0nthus absolutely, the top dogs may feel they can be a bit more generous to women because they have nothing to lose, the men with no self esteem, no looks,no real skills feel every successful woman pushes them further down the list. Once a woman who never married was a Spinster, the unmarried woman to be pitied whilst an unmarried man was a happy Bachelor. Now she's single by choice and the bachelor is looked on as rather sad

I can spell coconut with my foot?

Crikey, this guy sounds like a keeper. Anyone know where I can meet him?

Stepford wife is their ideal.

The issue with women having rights is that they have choice, and they don't choose them.

There's a high level of narcissism and entitlement in that rhetoric.

After many years of living, I find that guys who have this mental are usually either immature teenagers or old, sad, ugly, single men that sit in pubs all day.
No women as described exist and those who do and get married, the bloke normally has an affair (see all the Hollywood beauties who still aren't enough).
I don't really care now if guys think all the things described in the original post. I'm not interested in them either, so just jog on and leave them to their sad and unfulfilled life.

In my experience, the ones who were bullied turned out as good 'uns. It's the ones who did the bullying who turn into vile, entitled adults.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p08zhbt6/traces?seriesId=m001xfz2 The second series of this shows their mentality a bit - it just depends how long they go down the rabbit hole for.

Are incels homogenous in their taste in women ? Don’t some men prefer big women/women with large aerolas , women with different shapes , etc etc from a purely sexual point of view. When you look at porn it’s very clear that men out there are into all sorts of women. Seems strange that this group would have such a strict criteria. Regardless it is disgusting to speak about women like this and it is horrible to think these men exist.

The awful fact is this toxicity does spill into the real world and incels radicalised online have attacked women. There's a good book by Laura Bates called 'Men who hate women' and she details this horrible movement and the violence it's spawned. A previous poster is right, we need to talk to our sons about this cr@p.

But spelling coconut with your waist... Jeez, the things you learn on mumsnet 😂

I suspect other issues might come at play (like racism or myths about links between female morality and their physical appearance) , so I doubt they ALL like the same thing. However, the vast majority,vast majority want the "Stacys". The pretty, hot,thin, popular girls. Like I said, for a lot of them it's not just about sex/relationship but the status symbol on his arm. That's all she is. So the average girls are not the "goal", however, they'll react with even more anger and hatred if they perceive rejection from them because how dare they?

Maybe they are implying that they are to fussy/have such high standards to be the reason why they have no girlfriend.

There are a handful of countries women don't have rights why don't they just move there.