What incels reckon makes a good woman:

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This is the list posted by a bunch of morons who should not be allowed the internet:

Loses weight after pregnancy
Low body count/dresses modestly
Dress size 12 or lower / no FUPA
Waist to hip ratio 0.7
No trauma
Balanced PH levels/bubblegum pink
Reasonably sized forehead/areolas
Can cook and clean
No single mums
No stretch marks
Open to labiaplasty
Has low iron levels
Can spell coconut with her waist
Not a feminist
Not moody during her period
Doesnt believe in starsigns
Doesnt nag

At first I laughed SO HARD - wtf does low iron levels even mean? But then honestly I started to feel sad and angry that this bullshit incel culture and porn is shaping young mens approaches to what women should be.

Its SO gross.

Guaranteed majority of these "men" are either virgins or pay for it and are 2/10s at best. I want to judge their forehead and areolas first.

Some of them are surprisingly not bad looking, which gives you some idea of how absolutely socially repellent they must be. I'm always kind of astonished by it, tbh. There are women everywhere with standards about 5000 feet below sea level; the men they insist are lovely really are ugly, broke, stupid, violent, shit fathers, unhygienic, sexually incontinent, you name it. Just how disgusting and creepy must these guys be that even these women won't go near them?

Not a bad idea at all. MN keeps me informed of the dangers lurking around us.

I would go look, but I’m afraid of being inundated with ‘suggestions’ once I’ve viewed. It’s as ridiculous as it’s vile ☹️.

I hung around on an incel community for a while and spent time trying to debate/educate them about women. It was all horrendously toxic. The main things I would keep hearing from that list is hatred for feminists, single Mums and women with larger body sizes. They'd openly brag about "pumping and dumping" women if they could and only caring about sex.

There was also a massive sense of double standards/hypocritical tendencies ..

"I'm a solid 5/10, this woman was a 3.5/10. How dare she reject me and she should be grateful for my attention?"

She needs to get a job ..but just don't take our jobs" line of thinking.

Don't sleep with lots of men ... but "put out" for me right away.

Many are incel as they're simply hateful people to begin with who can't emotionally connect with women at all. However, it is important to remember too, that involuntary celibate guys also include decent men looking for a relationship as well yet haven't managed to have one, for all sorts of reasons. Shyness approaching women/autism etc. Women can also be incel.

Yeah they really must be the bottom of the barrel.
I also think many of them are closeted gays and so entrenched in their way of thinking that they won't even acknowledge it to themselves, but then hate women because they're not getting turned on by them and it must be the women's fault not his, but really he's just not attracted to any woman at all.

@randomfemthinker that must've been like talking to a brick wall, you can't get through to them, they're brainwashed. They'd rather listen to other incels about how to attract women, which is why their ideology makes zero sense. I think they expect women to make the moves on them, which is why they'll be waiting a long time.

There was an article on radio four about so called female incels. The researcher stated quite clearly that female incels internalise and blame it on themselves and do not blame men

Doesn't talk or look at other men
Lady in street freak in sheets
Happy for him to play xbox all the time

It's a shame the internet has given failure men an outlet. Weak men speak, weak men follow. If men spent less time trying to impress other men and bring them around to their bullshit thinking, they'd be better off. Incels help to create unhappy, dissatisfied men who then become a danger to women. The government needs to step in make a strong statement and do something about these repugnant people.

I used to frequent a forum with some incels, and other groups like red pillers and mgtows.

Commonly on the list were;

No tattoos or piercings.
Only sluts have those.

No brightly dyed hair - only attention seeking sluts have that.

Preferably not gone to uni/college - that would mean they had ridden the "cock carousel".

Not travelled ... The only reason women travel is to ride the cock carousel - internationally lol.

Never had sex with/dated a black man.

Must be from two parent family with Dad, no divorce.
Divorces and single Mums irreparably damage them.

Does not work in a male dominated or even 50-50 industry.... Ideally female dominated/exclusively female industry. We don't want any flirting or cheating opportunities.

Not a "bar girl" - no history or habit of frequenting bars and clubs. Yep, the ol' cock carousel again.
No nights out, girls nights out - these mean she wants, at best attention and validation, at worst, is a slut

"Feminine" hobbies and interests - that mean she'd meet no men through them.

No male friends - because there is no such thing as an opposite sex friend, only male "orbiters" trying to get sex or a relationship.

She can be judged by her friends - are they bar girls or "good" girls?

Yes, they think vaginas loosen with numbers of sexual partners .....

They also have a pseudo scientific theory that men leave traces of DNA in women they have sex with and this changes things .... I can't even remember the crazy BS on that one.

Goodness! The male and female measurements together sounds a bit Nazi 😬. Maybe that's cool now too 🤷‍♀️

I bet a sizeable proportion of them are heavy weed smokers, and it's just one of many reasons they are very undesirable to the vast majority of women.

Hell, I can spell "Goodyear blimp" with mine. Do I get extra credit?

@DeeCeeCherry Yes i hate to have to say this but some mothers(abused, lacking in their own self confidence, prone to male pleasing etc) contribute to badly behaving men. I am no paragon of virtue and have had my own failings as a parent, but my adult son has zero tolerance of all this nonsense. I have had to challenge him when he was a hormonal teenage boy as sexism was rife. But he heard me and his dad was a reasonable role model.

No. Only coconut.

It's well known those that can spell a word longer than seven letters, is a needy slut.

They also cite "social justice warriors" as totally undesirable - those women are radicalised and feminist and attention seeking and deluded etc (if they care about any cause, have an opinion on it and worst of all get involved in any campaigning).

Then there's the "must not have had any terminations" rule .... Which is kinda ironic when it comes to red pill and mgtow guys who've (from my experience of that forum and this one) have often vigorously "encouraged" a few terminations as the prospective father.

They also absolutely love to refer to a Utah uni study that concluded the more partners a woman has before marriage, the more likely the marriage is to end in divorce.

They somehow never ever ever remember to refer to the bit that says the same conclusion about men.

Well, dang. There you have it. I've outted myself!

There was an incel on the forum I frequented who, quite seriously, said he was going to start having sex with men, through the gay scene, because at least then he'd get sex ....(because he had no chance with women).

Some of them were already using glory holes found online, where they knew the oral sex giver was a gay male, but they didn't have to see him or interact with him so ..

Femcels are also not accepted by incels.
1.because women are the root of all evil.
2.because they refuse to believe women can't get sex.

Ironically, if i'm not mistaken , the term was originally coined by a woman describing her situation.

To spell coconut with your waist do you stick a pencil in your belly button?

Also are the forehead/areolas an either/or situation.

It is scary though that I could see porn growing up but it was mags or a channel 5 slightly smutty film. Seeing porn as an adult you can decern what is ridiculous/unrealistic. For young impressionable children seeing these things and basing what they think is normal of it is just horrendous.

TBH they'd be better off just having a wank

Yup , started and coined by a woman. How ironic is that?

In 1997, there was no Facebook, no Instagram, no Tinder. Even MySpace was six years away. Alana, who doesn't want to use her full name, was in her mid-20s and had just started dating.
"It had taken me a long time. I was kind of a late bloomer. I thought, 'Maybe there are other late bloomers out there.'
"I noticed people would talk about the 'lonely virgin' and make silly jokes about people who didn't start dating in their teens," she said.
She was living in Toronto, Canada, and started the website, Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project, for those who were struggling to form loving relationships.
She described the site as "a friendly place", a simple website where she posted articles and ran a mailing list.
It became a forum for men and women to talk about being lonely, where they could wonder aloud about why they couldn't meet anyone.
"There was probably a bit of anger and some men were a bit clueless about how women are unique, individual humans, but in general it was a supportive place."
One couple who met on the site even got married.
'Things have changed'
"It definitely wasn't a bunch of guys blaming women for their problems. That's a pretty sad version of this phenomenon that's happening today. Things have changed in the last 20 years."
Alana abbreviated "involuntarily celibate" to "invcel", until someone suggested that "incel" was easier to say.
"The word [incel] used to mean anybody of any gender who was lonely, had never had sex or who hadn't had a relationship in a long time. But we can't call it that anymore."

@PaperDoIIs Thanks for that i knew it came from canada but did not know it was a a woman. Learnt a lot today.

Hey incels......

What Makes the Perfect Woman

Any woman with a passing interest in your genitals.*

Fixed it for you. You. Are. Welcome!

*There arent any as your personality is so obnoxious.

One of the worst mass shootings(female victims only) in Canada was in 1989. Feminism ruined his life apparently. It is now considered an incel terrorist act.