What incels reckon makes a good woman:

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This is the list posted by a bunch of morons who should not be allowed the internet:

Loses weight after pregnancy
Low body count/dresses modestly
Dress size 12 or lower / no FUPA
Waist to hip ratio 0.7
No trauma
Balanced PH levels/bubblegum pink
Reasonably sized forehead/areolas
Can cook and clean
No single mums
No stretch marks
Open to labiaplasty
Has low iron levels
Can spell coconut with her waist
Not a feminist
Not moody during her period
Doesnt believe in starsigns
Doesnt nag

At first I laughed SO HARD - wtf does low iron levels even mean? But then honestly I started to feel sad and angry that this bullshit incel culture and porn is shaping young mens approaches to what women should be.

Its SO gross.

It’s all so very… specific! Forehead, coconut, anaemia, wtf? Not read whole thread but is there maybe an element of having such ridiculous expectations that no woman could actually meet them, so they can convince themselves that’s why they’re single?

@BigMandsTattooPortfolio 😂🤣 very true

Having been iron deficient recently, I thought I was going mad, I'm astonished that this is a recognised thing.

I find it quite sinister that the NHS has such a low bar on iron levels.

Men have got a nerve fussing about labia hanging out when you look at what they have dangling off them. Would they have a dangly scrote plasty. Hmmm?

It's not only the men who can't get a shag that are the problem unfortunately, the mentality of the twat who wrote the requirements list is much further reaching.

I personally know somebody who thinks just like it yet astonishingly manages to get a girlfriend and his leg over for a few weeks every now and then.

When the relationship ends he returns to full incel mode, women are cunts yada yada.

I once heard him refer to female cashiers as "till tarts"

You won't be surprised to know that he's morbidly obese with poor hygiene and a cannabis habit (no shade to those who smoke recreationally, this tosser sits at home smoking it from morning until night) and is a devout conspiracy theorist who's idea of a hero is David Icke.

I don't know what the answer is beyond doing our best to raise decent sons 😟

I fear we need an incel to venture onto MN and explain themselves, because this list is gibberish. I can't make head nor tails of it. Can anyone shed light?

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Loses weight after pregnancy
Basic biology lesson. Growing a baby involves gaining weight.

Low body count/dresses modestly
How are these related? I've not killed anyone, in full camo or a bikini.

Dress size 12 or lower / no FUPA
Do they know about dress size inflation? Wtf is FUPA?

Waist to hip ratio 0.7
Best draw a picture, our ladybrains don't do decimals.

No trauma
We're women in a world full of the likes of you, trauma is inevitable.

Balanced PH levels/bubblegum pink
How is PH relevant, and why must it be bubblegum pink?

Reasonably sized forehead/areolas
?!? No woman has areolas on her forehead.

Can cook and clean
The books, a cauldron, crystal meth? Wetwork, debug, nuclear power plant? Specifics!

No single mums
If you can't attract one mama, there's no way you'll lure two.

No stretch marks
You best lay off the UPF's then. And don't get pregnant.

Open to labiaplasty
You're celibate. Why modify what you'll never see?

Has low iron levels
So, ill? Weak, dizzy, disoriented, cognitively impaired? (Aha, a clue!)

Can spell coconut with her waist
So, basic rotate and tilt. Yawn.

Not a feminist
We can tell.

Not moody during her period
Define an absence of mood. What about all the other days of the monthly hormonal cycle?

Doesnt believe in starsigns
What is it with men not taking directions? The galaxy is a pretty big place.

Doesn't nag
No nags. Got it. You prefer sheep. Or goats?

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One who's been practising writing coconut with his penis since forever.

Tbh their list of what they THINK women want is just as bonkers. It's just a long list to excuse the fact that who they are(not what they look like) is frightening and repulsive. Which is why , even after having surgery, bathing in steroids and hitting the gym they're still incels.

• Be 6'0"+ (g, or horrific limb lengthening surgery/shoe
lifts)
• Be white (g)
• Have olive-dark complexion (g) • Have clear skin (g, acne regime is too obvious and
destroys skin)
• Have protruding, wide and high cheekbones (g)
• Have strong, forward growing midface (g, $20k+ surgery) • Have strong lower third (strong jaw and protruding chin)
(g, $15k+ surgery)
• Have good philtrum-nose ratio (g)
• Have strong protruding brow ridge (g) • Have proportionate, masculine but not too large nose
(surgery) • Have dark, hunter, thick but not too thick, straight but not
too straight eyebrows (g)
• Have hooded, green or blue eyes (g)
• Have positive canthal tilt (g)
• Have straight, NW1 hairline with thick hair (surgery) • Have ability to grow thick, even facial hair and to look
good with or without it (g)
• Have medium sized, slightly wide forehead (g)
• Have robust skull (g)
• Have solid, wide intimidating frame (g)
• Have large hands, thick wrists, thick neck (g)
• Have aesthetically proportionate muscle insertions (g)
• Have less than 15% bodyfat (gym)
• Have lean but muscular physique (gym, weight training) • Have 7+ inch penis (g, possible surgery, or years of clamping heavy weights to your dick, stretching and pulling
etc)
• Be unanimously desirable to all other women

Can't say I ever tested a man's skull robustness or their canthal tilt before going on a date . Wtf even is that one?

Where on the internet do you come across this shit?

I only hear about these people, but they never feature on my feed 😳.

Pretty much everywhere unfortunately.

What should the perfect man be like?

Is this real 😳.

The only thing I’d find remotely interesting on this list is a tall man, but with a naturally lengthy penis.

Doesn’t the artificial lengthening just make it a dead dick?

Christ - I must be living under a rock 🤦🏾‍♀️.

Can't say I ever tested a man's skull robustness or their canthal tilt before going on a date . Wtf even is that one?

canthal tilt is something about eyes, is it the outside crease? Tilting down is bad, up is good. I dont quite remember.

Can I add I live with a man who ticks all those boxes, bar height. Does this mean i have to test his skull robustness? With a pick-axe? Shovel? Large lamp?

List is ridiculous. Even my celebrity crushes barely tick any of those, and those are my unattainable fantasies.

These lads are so confused. They’ve no nuance, no understanding that humans (women and men) are individuals who find different things attractive, they’re obsessed with random ‘scientific’ body measurements, and think women are uniquely evil for not wanting to sleep with incels but also all women should be virgins. I don’t really know what the answer is for these little boys, but I’m pretty sure it’s not state supplied prostitutes.

I had the misfortune of conversing with a few incels, not that they admitted to being incels, but those sad men absolutely were incels and believe women were withholding sex from them in favour of good looking, rich, alpha males.

Anyway, some of these things came up with regards to what makes a good woman and just wanted to clarify some of the list -

Low body count/

Low body count equates to number of men slept with. I believe that they prefer women who aren't experienced because they aren't as 'demanding' in bed which roughly translates as do not have a clue that many men are terrible in bed/have no idea about intimacy or sexual pleasure other than their own. Also, am pretty certain some of these men truly believe that the more sexual partners a woman has, the looser her vagina is. Yes, really.

Balanced PH levels

It's about the PH of the vagina/vaginal secretions inasmuch many men, not just incels, fail to understand that one's PH level is determined by hormones, cycle, diet, flora and a myriad of other things. They think that all women's vaginas/labia/vaginal secretions should have zero taste which is only afforded by balanced PH levels. Again, yes, really.

Crikey ☹️.

I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if someone else has mentioned it but I think the normal pH levels are probably referring to the pH of vaginal discharge. Bacterial vaginosis occurs when pH is raised.

Low iron can make you pale or have skin that's whiter than usual

The haemoglobin in red blood cells gives blood its red colour, so low levels caused by iron deficiency make the blood less red. That's why skin can lose some of its colour or warmth in people with iron deficiency.

Is it all just deeply, deeply internalised homophobia? Because the woman described in the list barely exists. Men who think like that don't actually fancy women, do they?

Why can't they just admit that and leave women the fuck alone?

Not that the gay community deserve them either.

They are problem young men who don't know what to do with themselves, turn love they can't get into hate. I think it is one way to make them feel better about themselves.

i don't think it's internalised homophobia more deep sense of self loathing and a non existent self esteem. Incels are the corner of society that is very self aware in how much they are outsiders and will struggle to, if ever, fit in. Because they know this they've formed their own community where they feel safe and can shout obscenities from their echo chambers and receive a pat on the back for being brave. It takes a strong incel to stand up and turn their back on their whole community.

It's a very very dangerous cult.

With a coconut obviously.

It isn't a bad idea for a parenting forum to discuss this movement. How to prevent sons from falling foul of it and how to protect daughters from these individuals.

No...that kind of loathing comes alongside thwarted desire. They're trying to frame it as women's failings, and set themselves as the arbiters of what's desirable as that would be the more powerful position.

Unfortunately, some women are actually going to compare themselves to that deranged list and feel bad for not fitting every category, even when the list itself betrays such huge ignorance about the female body and is a clear sign of a man who couldn't be less of a catch if he was washed up on the beach with a dead perch stuck up his bum.

Only on page and gonna give up. I mean who cares that’s why they are incels in the first place.