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I have fucked up badly

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Shamefullhouse · 20/01/2024 11:44

Omg I have Been find 400 for for tipping 250 if I pay within 10 days .

This would have been during in my time of struggling badly with my house and the state it was in my bins getting over full and really struggling with everything really badly.

I know I should not have done it but I was struggling. As far as I know they are talking about a couple of bits I took to the communal bins . ( they don't belong to me house) but to the flats behinde me. I couldn't get the bits in the bin. So I left them next to the bin. They would have been bits of wood from a unit i think .

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ilovemyspace · 20/01/2024 22:46

@Shamefullhouse I don't think it was you that messed up trying to explain - I think it was people just jumping to conclusions too quickly and not really listening to you.

They saw the words ' fly-tipping' and immediately made assumptions based on their experiences of rubbish and mess just being dumped on the street / in gardens / etc.

What you did was somewhat different - yes, it comes under the term 'fly-tipping', because that's the term they use to issue the fine, but really it was "putting your rubbish in someone else's bin(s)"

And I don't think many posters read the tone of your posts, so just assumed that you were saying it wasn't your fault, or that you were asking how to get out of paying.

Please, please try and just ignore this thread and the unsupportive comments.
(and I know that's easier said than done!)
But you are actually a very brave, and honest person , who isn't ashamed to ask for help when she needs it. You deserve a break!x

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Shamefullhouse · 20/01/2024 23:00

ilovemyspace · 20/01/2024 22:46

@Shamefullhouse I don't think it was you that messed up trying to explain - I think it was people just jumping to conclusions too quickly and not really listening to you.

They saw the words ' fly-tipping' and immediately made assumptions based on their experiences of rubbish and mess just being dumped on the street / in gardens / etc.

What you did was somewhat different - yes, it comes under the term 'fly-tipping', because that's the term they use to issue the fine, but really it was "putting your rubbish in someone else's bin(s)"

And I don't think many posters read the tone of your posts, so just assumed that you were saying it wasn't your fault, or that you were asking how to get out of paying.

Please, please try and just ignore this thread and the unsupportive comments.
(and I know that's easier said than done!)
But you are actually a very brave, and honest person , who isn't ashamed to ask for help when she needs it. You deserve a break!x

What also upset me is the photos. I have already admitted what I did. But because my address was on a box or 2. They have taken photos of everything and some of that stuff is not even mine its nothing to do with me. And im very confused why they took a photo of my owm front garden. Also the fact that card scattered Over the floor was in that larger box so they have poured it over the floor then taken the photos it kind of feels like if I filled my kitchen bin with rubbish . Then someone comes along tips it on the floor then takes a photo saying look what you did. Then no one believes me when I say it was in the bin. Because the photos are proof I did not. Even though there are no before photos

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Mydickyticker · 20/01/2024 23:08

If you're in a HA or council property then they will be forwarding those pictures to your landlord as it's probably part of the tenancy to keep the front garden clear. As much as you're trying to improve your lot OP nobody wants to live next door to a shit heap.

Mydickyticker · 20/01/2024 23:09

The only thing you can do is clear up what you can tomorrow, then ring the council on Monday and discuss it with them.

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Shamefullhouse · 20/01/2024 23:10

Mydickyticker · 20/01/2024 23:08

If you're in a HA or council property then they will be forwarding those pictures to your landlord as it's probably part of the tenancy to keep the front garden clear. As much as you're trying to improve your lot OP nobody wants to live next door to a shit heap.

I know they don't

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WagWoofWalkMeeoow · 20/01/2024 23:24

Spicybeanburger · 20/01/2024 13:02

While I understand you were struggling with your mental health and I've been there. I do think you do have to face the consequences of just dumping stuff. I do think council removal is very expensive and it's unfair to people who don't have cars to go to the tip. The fine is also very high!

But the current system is what it is and if we all just dumped stuff that wouldn't fir in our bins everywhere would be a mess.

@Spicybeanburger

can you explain why it's unfair on non drivers?

I drive, I paid for lessons, the test. I bought the car, I pay for petrol, maintenance, mot, tax, insurance etc.

I would pay the same for council collection if the items don't fit in my car. How is it unfair on non drivers?

ilovemyspace · 20/01/2024 23:36

What also upset me is the photos. I have already admitted what I did. But because my address was on a box or 2. They have taken photos of everything and some of that stuff is not even mine its nothing to do with me. And im very confused why they took a photo of my owm front garden. Also the fact that card scattered Over the floor was in that larger box so they have poured it over the floor then taken the photos it kind of feels like if I filled my kitchen bin with rubbish . Then someone comes along tips it on the floor then takes a photo saying look what you did. Then no one believes me when I say it was in the bin. Because the photos are proof I did not. Even though there are no before photos

I know and that doesn't seem right or fair if it's been made to look worse than it actually was.
I would wait until Monday and then see if you can give them a ring and talk it through with them? Even if they say there's nothing they can/will do, at least you've put your side of things to them and you'll will feel better for doing it!

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Shamefullhouse · 20/01/2024 23:45

ilovemyspace · 20/01/2024 23:36

What also upset me is the photos. I have already admitted what I did. But because my address was on a box or 2. They have taken photos of everything and some of that stuff is not even mine its nothing to do with me. And im very confused why they took a photo of my owm front garden. Also the fact that card scattered Over the floor was in that larger box so they have poured it over the floor then taken the photos it kind of feels like if I filled my kitchen bin with rubbish . Then someone comes along tips it on the floor then takes a photo saying look what you did. Then no one believes me when I say it was in the bin. Because the photos are proof I did not. Even though there are no before photos

I know and that doesn't seem right or fair if it's been made to look worse than it actually was.
I would wait until Monday and then see if you can give them a ring and talk it through with them? Even if they say there's nothing they can/will do, at least you've put your side of things to them and you'll will feel better for doing it!

Does fixed penaltie mean it's the same amount to pay weather its one box I left or 15 boxes?

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CJsGoldfish · 20/01/2024 23:51

OP, the fine will be because you dumped your stuff, not the AMOUNT of stuff in the pictures. You have been identified as a contributor to the mess and are being fined for your part.
If you were leaving rubbish outside of the bin, why not leave it outside of your own bin rather than make the effort to take it elsewhere and leave it there? That looks like you knew you were doing the wrong thing.
Not that it really matters now. It's done and you were caught out. You should absolutely be able to pay the fine off in instalments so maybe it's time to let this go, make a plan to pay it off and refocus on what else you need to do.

calmnights · 20/01/2024 23:53

Fly-tipping is fly-tipping whether it is one box or 15.

You say it wasn’t like that when you put it there. It may not have been but that is irrelevant, it wouldn’t have been like that at all if you hadn’t put it there. It might not have been the enforcement team who moved the rubbish to make it look like the photographs. You might not have dumped all the rubbish, but you dumped some of it and if you hadn’t dumped anything you wouldn’t have been fined. Councils can charge when waste builds up in front gardens.

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Shamefullhouse · 20/01/2024 23:55

WagWoofWalkMeeoow · 20/01/2024 23:24

@Spicybeanburger

can you explain why it's unfair on non drivers?

I drive, I paid for lessons, the test. I bought the car, I pay for petrol, maintenance, mot, tax, insurance etc.

I would pay the same for council collection if the items don't fit in my car. How is it unfair on non drivers?

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If I had a car /could drive I would not have had any of the problems I have had . I could have got to the tip . For people on low incomes , no support , no car etc . I think people who drive and have no money issues can sometimes forget how hard it can be.

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ilovemyspace · 20/01/2024 23:58

@Shamefullhouse Does fixed penaltie mean it's the same amount to pay weather its one box I left or 15 boxes?

From a local council website:

Fly-tipping is illegally dumped rubbish ........... A fixed penalty will only generally be offered where a small quantity of waste is fly-tipped, or waste has since been cleared by the offender. In all other cases we will prosecute.

What to do if you receive a fixed penalty notice
There is no appeal process for an environmental offence. You should pay the fine within the period specified on the fixed penalty notice.

  • If you do not pay the fixed penalty in time you may be fined and prosecuted. You may also end up with a criminal record and have to pay our costs.
  • If you pay the fixed penalty in time we can't prosecute you and the fixed penalty won't result in a criminal offence.

so it doesn't look like there's any room for negotiation :(

But at least you know where you stand ........ x

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Shamefullhouse · 20/01/2024 23:58

CJsGoldfish · 20/01/2024 23:51

OP, the fine will be because you dumped your stuff, not the AMOUNT of stuff in the pictures. You have been identified as a contributor to the mess and are being fined for your part.
If you were leaving rubbish outside of the bin, why not leave it outside of your own bin rather than make the effort to take it elsewhere and leave it there? That looks like you knew you were doing the wrong thing.
Not that it really matters now. It's done and you were caught out. You should absolutely be able to pay the fine off in instalments so maybe it's time to let this go, make a plan to pay it off and refocus on what else you need to do.

If I knew it was totally wrong I would not have allowed my address to show.

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Shamefullhouse · 20/01/2024 23:59

calmnights · 20/01/2024 23:53

Fly-tipping is fly-tipping whether it is one box or 15.

You say it wasn’t like that when you put it there. It may not have been but that is irrelevant, it wouldn’t have been like that at all if you hadn’t put it there. It might not have been the enforcement team who moved the rubbish to make it look like the photographs. You might not have dumped all the rubbish, but you dumped some of it and if you hadn’t dumped anything you wouldn’t have been fined. Councils can charge when waste builds up in front gardens.

This Is not what I meant or asked at all

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calmnights · 21/01/2024 00:02

In your post at 11pm you were moaning about the photographs not being how you left the rubbish and not all being your rubbish and being confused about why they photographed the waste in your garden. My post was in response to that.

gluggle · 21/01/2024 00:03

Shamefullhouse · 20/01/2024 23:55

If I had a car /could drive I would not have had any of the problems I have had . I could have got to the tip . For people on low incomes , no support , no car etc . I think people who drive and have no money issues can sometimes forget how hard it can be.

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The excuses for fly tipping keep on coming 😂

You don't drive
You only have fortnightly collections
Your family is really large
You stubbed your toe

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Shamefullhouse · 21/01/2024 00:04

ilovemyspace · 20/01/2024 23:58

@Shamefullhouse Does fixed penaltie mean it's the same amount to pay weather its one box I left or 15 boxes?

From a local council website:

Fly-tipping is illegally dumped rubbish ........... A fixed penalty will only generally be offered where a small quantity of waste is fly-tipped, or waste has since been cleared by the offender. In all other cases we will prosecute.

What to do if you receive a fixed penalty notice
There is no appeal process for an environmental offence. You should pay the fine within the period specified on the fixed penalty notice.

  • If you do not pay the fixed penalty in time you may be fined and prosecuted. You may also end up with a criminal record and have to pay our costs.
  • If you pay the fixed penalty in time we can't prosecute you and the fixed penalty won't result in a criminal offence.

so it doesn't look like there's any room for negotiation :(

But at least you know where you stand ........ x

So do you think I should just pay it in full? Thete is the email that says if your having problems paying please get in touch. But the email does not work. I just get postmaster reply saying its wrong. I got my kids to write it for me incase I was being thick but it still done the same thing.

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Shamefullhouse · 21/01/2024 00:09

gluggle · 21/01/2024 00:03

The excuses for fly tipping keep on coming 😂

You don't drive
You only have fortnightly collections
Your family is really large
You stubbed your toe

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Let's add. I had a long time of DV. I was often scared to leave the room, I couldn't even bath shower . There was other forms of dv via my daughter ex which meant we had to get moved under life in danger . This has all put me in a position of everything piling up . Oh yeah and my son tried to kill himself. Let's laugh at that to 🤣🤣🤣🤣 so funny spat out my tea

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ilovemyspace · 21/01/2024 00:13

So do you think I should just pay it in full? Thete is the email that says if your having problems paying please get in touch. But the email does not work. I just get postmaster reply saying its wrong. I got my kids to write it for me incase I was being thick but it still done the same thing.

I think maybe the best thing to do, if the email address doesn't work, is to ring them on Monday and explain that if you pay in one lump sum it will cause you financial difficulty, and ask them to arrange some sort of payment schedule.
(would that be best for you?)

CJsGoldfish · 21/01/2024 00:16

If I knew it was totally wrong I would not have allowed my address to show
With all that's going on, I assumed that was an oversight. Or a belief that no one would check.
It wasn't your bin you left it beside 🤷‍♀️

I do think you should pay the fine but I absolutely believe you should have the option to pay it in instalments. THAT is what you should be focusing on. It is what it is but I don't believe you need the further stress of having to come up with an amount all at once. Set up a payment plan, stick to it and put it to the back of your mind

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Shamefullhouse · 21/01/2024 00:41

ilovemyspace · 21/01/2024 00:13

So do you think I should just pay it in full? Thete is the email that says if your having problems paying please get in touch. But the email does not work. I just get postmaster reply saying its wrong. I got my kids to write it for me incase I was being thick but it still done the same thing.

I think maybe the best thing to do, if the email address doesn't work, is to ring them on Monday and explain that if you pay in one lump sum it will cause you financial difficulty, and ask them to arrange some sort of payment schedule.
(would that be best for you?)

There does not seem to be a number just the email. I will look in the morning incase I have missed it.

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TheSoddingCat · 21/01/2024 00:50

"If I knew it was totally wrong I would not have allowed my address to show"

er.... if you knew it was wrong you wouldn't have bloody done it?! Right?! It's not a case of hiding your address and that's the end of it, don't do it!!!

ilovemyspace · 21/01/2024 00:51

@Shamefullhouse Is it from the council? Just ring the switchboard and ask who you need to speak to about it?
If not, you should be able to tell from the email address where it's from and use google to see if you can track down a phone number?

I hope you manage a good night's sleep tonight!
And take a PP's advice - set up a payment plan, stick to it and put it to the back of your mind.
What's done is done, you're sorting it - and then you can move on x

gluggle · 21/01/2024 00:56

TheSoddingCat · 21/01/2024 00:50

"If I knew it was totally wrong I would not have allowed my address to show"

er.... if you knew it was wrong you wouldn't have bloody done it?! Right?! It's not a case of hiding your address and that's the end of it, don't do it!!!

She knew full well it was wrong or she would have just dumped it next to her own bins in the first place.

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Shamefullhouse · 21/01/2024 01:00

gluggle · 21/01/2024 00:56

She knew full well it was wrong or she would have just dumped it next to her own bins in the first place.

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Yep 100% new totally wrong . I knew 100% but though sod it I will leave my address for a laugh .

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