Thread 35 - Sunak, the squatter

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Old thread here
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4961707-thread-34-sunak-the-circus-is-back-in-westminster?page=40&reply=131976344

So the Conservatives can change their mind and you'll vote for them. Labour change their mind and you don't believe it
I think the public interest in the debate has grown so much that there is no chance of self-ID coming in now, whoever is in power. And I think the Conservatives don't want the almighty pain in the bum that changing the EA will bring. So it's not a voting issue for me now. Up to you what you choose to do though.

More women than men in both Labour and Lib Dem

Hear hear

Thank you @cakeorwine. So, if my maths is correct, the Tory majority is now down to 52. I wonder how low it has to go before Sunak goes “Oh fuck it, I might as well call an election while I’m still ahead”.

As far as I can see, realistically, if a person is opting out of voting in a GE for one of the main three in favour of an independent or none at all then, whilst it’s perfectly justifiable on a local and personal level, it is still opting out of using their vote to effect any kind of meaningful change (or maintaining a status quo) on a national societal level. This includes those whose votes boil down to a specific issue that none of the three main parties cover.

On that basis there’s not really much to add to a conversation about a general election, specifically the most imminent one, when lines have already been drawn in the sand.

How pleasing to see that 103 MPs are women in the Labour party compared to men 95

Yet 88 compared to 262 in the tories

And yet the Tory apologists are constantly banging on about how much more diverse the Tories are because they've had some female and non White British ministers. Completely disregarding the absolutely shit quality of all their ministerial picks in recent years. Ticking a diversity box isn't good enough - we need competence!

We can't know that though, because Labour don't know what a woman is, and so wouldn't be able to count them.

Great title. I too, think we should be booking the bailiffs for May. And the removal helicopter.

Just here for the car crash.

Before the bridge opens, can someone tell me how many by elections coming up and when. Just to raise my spirits.

@IIdentifyAsInnocent, I would ask you to consider why you feel changes that Labour and Starmer might make, are more worrying to you than changes the tories under plethora of leaders has made.

Look at their actions and policies and the effects these have had on women. How have any of these policies made womens lives better? How many have made them worse? If you are gender critical, look at how changes have crept into society without fanfare or acknowledgement under these last conservative governments and ask yourself how this has happened if they are truly believing and creating policies and laws that protect sex based rights.

I don't believe a person can change sex, they can however identify however they like as long as they don't infringe on my rights to sex based protections, in any aspect.
From my experiences over the last ten years, where these rights and protections have been eroded, I don't believe that the Conservatives will protect these in the future.

I am more than happy to pick this up with a Labour government should they not step up and protect the women of this country.

For now, the best way to protect the vulnerable is to get the tories out.

No date set yet as Parliament is not sitting but 1 confirmed by-election is Wellingborough, Peter Bone's sseat.

Labour haven't changed their mind. 🙄 But anyway, how dare I have my own opinions.... I'll leave you all to your u argued views.

Here's the Labour official position:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

"We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services."

It is not accurate to say Labour policy is TWAW, is all I was pointing out. There is no need to leave the thread.

Yeah I agree early May.

Mainly because September/October is not only peak holiday season for older people and therefore many of their core voters but also falls after a summer of boat crossings and with the lovely weather we've had it's been peak time some years.

They will not want to have an election after something they've promised to stop.

Anyway that's going to be my last post on the topic as I can always go and post on FWR and this thread covers far more interesting topics!

Poverty affects women more than men, which has increased massively under the Tories.

Thanks Duncin, thought there were more although we can add Chris Skidmore too. Good.

New researchh_ from the JRF has found 3.8 million people experienced the most extreme form of poverty –destitution – in 2022. That is a 61% increase since 2019. More than 1 million of those affected were children.

www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/uk-poverty-the-facts-figures-effects-solutions-cost-living-crisis/

While single working age adults are most likely to be experiencing destitution, there have been sharp rises in destitution among other groups. The number of lone parents experiencing destitution close to tripled between 2019-2022. This means that 11% of all households in the UK who experienced destitution in 2022 were lone parent households.
Almost two thirds (62%) of people experiencing destitution have a disability or chronic health problem that limits their day-to-day activity, up from 54% in 2019. These health conditions are now much more likely to significantly limit people’s lives than in 2019.

www.jrf.org.uk/news/flagship-study-finds-a-million-children-experienced-destitution-in-the-uk-last-year

It might just be me but when I read lone parents I largely think of women.

It might just be me but when I read lone parents I largely think of women.

Me too

And me.

Looking at the stats (and especially considering the number of MPs), Labour seems much more diverse than the Conservatives

General election: 2019 heralds the most diverse parliament for gender and ethnicity | Politics News | Sky News

Hear hear. You have articulated the issue much better than I could.

Me too. But then I am one.