Anyone Watching Starmer?

[KnowsWhatAGiraffeIs]

What do we think?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67871404
I'm actually more impressed than I expected to be. Starting to think they might be in with a chance.

Then you don’t really care for women or girls. Or any less advantaged groups. Nobody who would consider voting Tory does.

This.

I know my constituency very well and it will never be anything other than Tory.

Exactly. I would imagine though that most of the electorate is focusing their concern on the economy and the NHS and these single issue voters are unlikely to make much of a difference.

Heard it all before on these threads when women dare to say that they are not enthralled by the Labour Party. Insulting us will not help the Labour vote you know.

I will happily ote for a candidate who stands up for women and girls and, as I have said, this could be Rosie Duffield or it could be a Tory. It may well be an Indie or I will spoil my ballot again with a KJK sticker. My choice.

But thanks for letting me know that I don'r really care about women and girls.

I agree. I am GC but really don't want to see what another Tory government will do. Especially if they are emboldened by snatching victory from.the jaws of defeat and despite being arguably the worst government in living memory. To be honest, I couldn't care less what he says, I'm still voting for my local Labour candidate because I like her. But actually I'm impressed by him and his team. Especially Wes Streeting Bridget Phillipson and Rachel Reeves.

Let him be still saying it tomorrow.

Personality of a quiche.

Lots of hot air and nothing concrete like all politicians. Wonderful if labour (or any other party) can deliver what they promise but they never do. HOW is Starmer going to achieve his aims? Need a blueprint before I give him my vote.

He hasn’t got off the fence at all. His statement is meaningless because he believes women can have a penis, so these spaces will be open to all who have “womanly feelings”. Just more weasel words, he’s not to be trusted.

And that is utter bollocks. I'm not voting Labour, LD or Green over this issue in the next election. I'm also not voting Tory. Whether that leaves me without a party to vote for (we tend to only have those four as options here) is yet to be seen.

I'm rather bored of people assuming who I'm going to vote for, based on me saying I won't vote Labour due to this. I'm also bored of being lectured about voting to keep the Tories out. If Labour want my vote (and they have previously specifically said they don't, due to being gender critical), then they're going to have to unequivocally come out and not only say what Keir said today, but back it up with a statement that 'woman' means a natal woman, not a bloke who (apparently) believes he should've been born as one (the 0.1% of women who, according to Keir, have a penis).

It's not my responsibility to keep the Tories out. It's Labour's responsibility to protect women's rights and single sex spaces. At which point I'll vote for them.

It's not my responsibility to keep the Tories out. It's Labour's responsibility to protect women's rights and single sex spaces. At which point I'll vote for them

THIS.

Agree with this ^

I have no idea who I'm going to vote for, I don't mind Keir but he never seems to give answers to what Labour will do, every time either he or any Labour politician are on TV I almost time it to see how long it'll be before they say "well it's crap because the Tories did x", they spend so much time slagging off the opposition but not committing to saying what they'll do other than "listening to all suggestions and rolling up our sleeves to get the job done".

Er... because there are 7 billion people in the world and I don't know all of them or follow their careers! I came back to the country about 12 months ago after living in a totalitarian state in East Asia for half a decade with very limited access to any UK news or websites. Last time I was here, Corbyn was in charge and Theresa May was running the country. All the media coverage I've seen up to now has made out he's very undecided and not a very strong leader. I started this thread after watching him for 15 minutes (he started at ten past) and being very surprised at what I was seeing - that we finally have a credible alternative. You're coming across as very vehemently pro-Labour so IDK why you're attacking people on my thread who are open to changing their mind about Labour's party and politics. 🤷‍♀️

Try voting for the person who is most likely to dent the Tory vote

I would prefer a manifesto that would enable me to vote Labour.

But on the other hand there are idiots like Dinosaur David Lammy & Dawn Butler who wants the Met to arrest Mumsnet for wrongthink.

I’m not enthralled by Starmer, he’s pretty “safe” though but that’s probably going to be what wins it for him, and hopefully it will work. I’ve always voted Labour, mainly out of contempt for the Tories and wanting to see the back of them. This includes the last GM when I had major reservations about Corbyn.

I also think there’s going to be a lot less safe Tory seats at the next GM. Hope Rees-Mogg gets absolutely shat on. Just to start with.

I’m not saying you should be enthralled. I’m a member, and I’m not particularly enthralled at the moment. They’re the only way to get the Tories out though, and the it’s are always worse for women and girls and the disadvantaged under the Tories.

Why the actual fuck do you want him to have ‘personality’ whatever that is?

In a democracy it is your responsibility, in fact. Your responsibility to do your bit to ensure the worst government in living memory doesn’t get re-elected. I’m pretty sure they won’t, with or without you, but I couldn’t live with myself if I didn’t do something to get them out. You do you, though b

Not that. Labour are in opposition at the moment. There’s no election date called. Their responsibility is to hold the government to account. Full stop. It’s the government's responsibility to protect women and girls. How do you think they are doing?

Maybe wait until an election is called and a manifesto is released?

No it's not. Where you you get that 'rule' from? Oh yeah, dragged it out of your arse.

I have absolutely NO responsibility to vote for anybody at all.

I want him to be human and not a robot reading from a script and I also want to know he's genuinely understanding the consequences of words he's saying.
He doesn't. And like a quiche any promises he makes will be easily broken.

What has t(e number of people in the world got to do with it? You started a post about Starmer. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume you knew the basics of who he is/what he’s done.
The media is your problem. Of course they want you to think he’s shit, most of them are right wing. It’s your job in a democracy to find some stuff out for yourself.
I’m both pro-Labour and anti-Tory because I actually care about this country and the people in it. I haven’t attacked anyone. I’ve commented on their ideas when I’ve disagreed.