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Thread 34 Sunak - the Circus is back in Westminster

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DuncinToffee · 12/12/2023 13:36

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AdamRyan · 12/12/2023 19:02

This is so fucking ridiculous.
So much time and money wasted on the fact the Tories are effectively ungovernable.

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/12/2023 19:03

AdamRyan · 12/12/2023 19:02

This is so fucking ridiculous.
So much time and money wasted on the fact the Tories are effectively ungovernable.

That applies to most of the last 7 years tbf. Now we’re just back to the completely mad last days of the May government trying to get the withdrawal agreement through.

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/12/2023 19:06

Unite or die is going to come back to haunt Rishi.

BIossomtoes · 12/12/2023 19:07

I wonder if Sunak looks at May reclining on the back benches, looking a million times happier than she did five years ago, and wonders why the hell he ever wanted this job.

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DuncinToffee · 12/12/2023 19:08

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/12/2023 19:02

Did they call themselves that or did the media make it up?

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It could well be a frienly media invention, I don't know

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jgw1 · 12/12/2023 19:11

DuncinToffee · 12/12/2023 18:59

From Ian Dunt

Cooper intervenes: "Is he aware that while he's been speaking, the New Conservatives, European Research Group, Northern Research Group, Conservative Growth Group and the Commons Sense Group have all said that they can;t support the bill and are going to abstain tonight?"

(Tomlinson speaking)

If there are 5 groups and estimated 40 MPs might abstain/vote against, by my maths that means there are on average 8 per group. Do they particularly like talking to each other?

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/12/2023 19:11

Watching now.😬

jgw1 · 12/12/2023 19:11

Why doesn't the Tory party just tell the ERG to go and form their own party?

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/12/2023 19:15

jgw1 · 12/12/2023 19:11

If there are 5 groups and estimated 40 MPs might abstain/vote against, by my maths that means there are on average 8 per group. Do they particularly like talking to each other?

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I was thinking this. Some must be bigger than others. Didn’t the ERG have 20+ members. I quite like the idea in my head that at least one of those groups only has 2-3 members. In practice I guess MPs belong to more than one group.

jgw1 · 12/12/2023 19:16

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/12/2023 19:15

I was thinking this. Some must be bigger than others. Didn’t the ERG have 20+ members. I quite like the idea in my head that at least one of those groups only has 2-3 members. In practice I guess MPs belong to more than one group.

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I imagine the common sense group has particularly few members?

RafaistheKingofClay · 12/12/2023 19:17

They are still looking for someone.

dontcallmelen · 12/12/2023 19:18

jgw1 · 12/12/2023 19:11

Why doesn't the Tory party just tell the ERG to go and form their own party?

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I was just wondering the same thing wasn’t this lot that held Theresa May over a barrel with the Brexit deal?

Roussette · 12/12/2023 19:20

jgw1 · 12/12/2023 19:16

I imagine the common sense group has particularly few members?

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Just one member. Esther McVey Grin

dontcallmelen · 12/12/2023 19:21

Roussette · 12/12/2023 19:20

Just one member. Esther McVey Grin

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God help us all.

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AdamRyan · 12/12/2023 19:22

I think the ERG basically splintered after brexit because they all are swivel eyed loons who don't even agree with each other
So Rees Mogg, Cates etc went off to the Nat Cons
Fucking Braverman, that guy she keeps leaking to went somewhere else

Just googled it, it's here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/07/conservative-party-turmoil-factions-under-the-spotlight

Anatomy of a party in turmoil: the Conservative factions in the spotlight

Rishi Sunak insists the Tories remain a ‘broad church’ but he is feeling the pressure from various groups

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/07/conservative-party-turmoil-factions-under-the-spotlight

jgw1 · 12/12/2023 19:24

I hoping the letter I sent to my MP was read and he will duly vote against the bill. He is full on ERG, so I thought I little encouragement wouldn't hurt.

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DuncinToffee · 12/12/2023 19:24

Oops, sorry Blush

x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1734653713812164919?s=20

If we can all unite about anything surely it has to be that anyone who talks about “the five families” in any British political context ought never to be allowed on any social media platform ever again

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RafaistheKingofClay · 12/12/2023 19:28

I think they briefly became the Covid research group.

Apparently there were more than 40 MPs in the room so if they all abstain it could get tight. Don’t know who was doing the counting though and I’m not sure all of that lot can count.

IClaudine · 12/12/2023 19:29

Ah, well.

IClaudine · 12/12/2023 19:30

Sunak will be happy, the tosser.

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DuncinToffee · 12/12/2023 19:30

Yes: 313
No: 269
Majority: 44

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Roussette · 12/12/2023 19:32

Makes me sick. Wish I hadn't watched the vote now. All that whooping.

Notonthestairs · 12/12/2023 19:32

We pay for those tedious 5 families.

They are generally part funded by subscriptions which MPs claim as expenses

Nice to think where our taxes go.

BIossomtoes · 12/12/2023 19:33

Fuck.