What is one hill you will die on?

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One opinion that you have that will never waver, no matter what?..

That's okay. The language games are ridiculous and meant to seed confusion.

I will cut anyone out of my life if they don’t enhance it. I will not have any relationship that brings more negativity than positivity. Life has been stress and drama free since going n/c with the in-laws 6 years ago.

I'm not sure you know what a transman is. A transman is a biological female who 'identifies' as a man. Are you thinking of transwomen (males who 'identify' as women?)

You've got your sexes crossed - which probably explains why the census went as wrong as it did.

What are commonly referred to as "trans men" are biological females who believe themselves to be men. What are referred to as "trans women" are biological males who believe themselves to be women.

I prefer the terms 'trans-identifying men' and 'trans-identifying women'.

That just as men cannot turn into women/cats/horses/dogs (and vice versa) monkeys cannot turn into humans despite what evolution says

I think you haven't been following the Brianna Ghey case.

There were 5 people on the killers' hit list; as far as we know, one of the other 4 was gay, and no others were trans or gay. Brianna was the second one on this list that the killers decided to actually try and kill, but the first one backed out of a meeting. It seems likely, so far, that they chose these people not particularly because they were different, but because they were vulnerable.

Plus, out of the boy and the girl, it seems the girl was keener on murdering someone, and her motivation was not personal - she simply wanted to murder - and possibly to torture. Toxic macuslinity is a problem, sure, but it doesn't seem to feature here.

Just to lighten the mood, or cause absolute mayhem, my hill to die on is that Michael Buble is shit. Merry fucking Christmas.

That the patriarchy has done a massive number on women by scaremongering out of all proportion on trans issues.

I find that very patronising. It's not about 'scaremongering'. What is it that you think the patriarchy is supposedly telling us about the trans rights agenda which isn't true?

Israel

What about fish pie?

But evolution hasn't said monkeys turned into people.
We simply share a common ancestor.

I agree. All v confusing. As I say, good luck to them; we all have a right to live our best lives but the papering over the cracks needs to stop x

Discrimination against people with disabilities.

Dunno. It’s all confusing

My one is very personal. My dad was very nationalistic (ROI). Very supportive, in principle, of the IRA etc. I find the whole thing ridiculous, everyone should get a life, a good career and move on.

I live in the UK now and I buy a poppy every year and this has caused contention with him. How he feels about my English husband and two English children, I don’t know.

TBH, I find national pride fairly stupid, wish I had the time.

Anyway, my hill to die on is to tell him he is wrong.

Scruffington
He wasn’t memorable at all, I believe they only keep him because he was Paul Rudd!!

Yes. I know that. It's not me that was confused. 😁

Someone said trans women are men.

You said they are not.

I said yes they are. trans men were born women.

It's trans women that were born men.

@Hastheslotharrivedyet don't worry, it's designed to be confusing!

The goggle eyed fixation fully grown adults have over the Kate and Will v Meghan and Harry nonsense would embarrass the most boy band obsessed 11 year old.

Of course bigoted men would avoid womens rights board....

No. I’m the confused one 😀 The subject is confusing tbh x

I don't think we are actually helping protect female rights by continuously posting the same points on Mumsnet. This is an echo chamber for the already converted.

There are also many members who want to have other discussions without it descending into a constant circular discussion about trans folk and women's rights.

I imagine it's putting more people off discussing it with openness and curiosity in the appropriate place - the feminism board.

What rights do they not have exactly?

That poor baby x

That not every person in Gaza/Palestine is a terrorist, and that Israel are not innocent bystanders.

Also, that a biological woman/girl’s right to feel safe should always, always trump a biological man’s right to feel like a woman, and that nobody should be “cancelled” for expressing their opinion on such things.

And obviously vice versa, although I haven’t heard of such an issue the other way around.

(there should maybe be “third” gender toilets, so that those who feel they identify as trans have a space without being threatening to others who don’t have the choice)