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Paris Hilton surrogacy

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geevesask · 30/11/2023 19:46

"Surrogacy was a difficult decision to make," she admitted.
"I would have loved that experience of growing the baby in your tummy and feeling the kicks and all of those exciting moments, but my life has just been so public," she continued. "So even though the baby is biologically mine and Carter's, we decided to have a surrogate carry him."

What does that even mean ? What does being in the public eye have to do with carrying your own child ?

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notahappybunny7 · 01/12/2023 13:24

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 30/11/2023 20:05

So she didn’t want to be hounded by the paps during a pregnancy? What does she plan on doing if they hound her while she’s out with her baby, outsource parenting to another woman too?
FFS, It was bad enough when rich women were too posh to push and with Paris Hilton’s track record of collecting and discarding cute small animals I dread to think what this poor child’s upbringing will be like.

Well yes, the nannies will probably raise her kids so she may as well outsource from the very beginning!!

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:24

@Dowhadiddydiddydum I didn't say it's ok to risk another woman's life. For fuck sak

I said that usually the main reason that people do surrogacy is that it is not possible for them to carry a pregnancy. That they are either not able to carry a pregnancy at all, or that they have a high risk of death if they carry another pregancy

That is why most women choose a surrogate.

Kim Kardashian had placenta accreta and it had left a hole in her womb, she could not carry another pregnancy, this is why she used a surrogate, who had a healthy womb.

Dowhadiddydiddydum · 01/12/2023 13:29

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:24

@Dowhadiddydiddydum I didn't say it's ok to risk another woman's life. For fuck sak

I said that usually the main reason that people do surrogacy is that it is not possible for them to carry a pregnancy. That they are either not able to carry a pregnancy at all, or that they have a high risk of death if they carry another pregancy

That is why most women choose a surrogate.

Kim Kardashian had placenta accreta and it had left a hole in her womb, she could not carry another pregnancy, this is why she used a surrogate, who had a healthy womb.

Did you not say that in theory you’d be open to using a surrogate? That heavily implies you think it is ok.

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:29

@FinallyFinalGirl you said there is no justification to rent another woman's body.

If women are agreeing to be surrogates, what can we do to stop them.

The only thing is to issue a law stopping it.

boscabosco · 01/12/2023 13:31

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:24

@Dowhadiddydiddydum I didn't say it's ok to risk another woman's life. For fuck sak

I said that usually the main reason that people do surrogacy is that it is not possible for them to carry a pregnancy. That they are either not able to carry a pregnancy at all, or that they have a high risk of death if they carry another pregancy

That is why most women choose a surrogate.

Kim Kardashian had placenta accreta and it had left a hole in her womb, she could not carry another pregnancy, this is why she used a surrogate, who had a healthy womb.

Load of shite, Kim Kardashian just didn't want to get fat.

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:33

@Dowhadiddydiddydum yea

I can see why women do it.

If it wasnt possible for me to carry a child at all, and if I desperately wanted , i can see in that issue why i ot any woman may look into surrogacy.

This is extremely theoretical as I am 39 and I have decided I'm not having children

WeFancyLike · 01/12/2023 13:34

@Mooshamoo Any pregnancy is a risk. My friend was not deemed high risk but still nearly died having her son. How dare anyone think they can risk another woman’s like like that because of bullshit reasons and a willingness to take advantage of their poorer financial state. Grim af that you think it’s justifiable.

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:34

God my phone is so bad with typos.

I meant to write

"I can see why women do it.

If it wasnt possible for me to carry a child at all, and if I desperately wanted a child , i can see in that issue, why i or any woman - may look into surrogacy.

This is extremely theoretical as I am 39 and I have decided I'm not having children.

FinallyFinalGirl · 01/12/2023 13:36

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:29

@FinallyFinalGirl you said there is no justification to rent another woman's body.

If women are agreeing to be surrogates, what can we do to stop them.

The only thing is to issue a law stopping it.

I'd like to see it banned Moosh, across the globe. The few women who are 'altuistic surrogates' (though there is nothing altruistic about deliberately depriving a child from her or his mother) do not make up for the thousands of exploited poor women and their traumatised babies.

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:37

@WeFancyLike

It is not just about risk. What if the first woman is not able to carry a child at all. Many women have medical conditions where they are not able to carry a child.

  1. not all surrogates are poor and it is not always about money.

I just read an article about a woman in the UK. She was not able to carry a baby. Her sister decided to be a surrogate for her. It was a lovely story. Her sister wanted to help her

Dowhadiddydiddydum · 01/12/2023 13:37

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:33

@Dowhadiddydiddydum yea

I can see why women do it.

If it wasnt possible for me to carry a child at all, and if I desperately wanted , i can see in that issue why i ot any woman may look into surrogacy.

This is extremely theoretical as I am 39 and I have decided I'm not having children

Fair enough. I just interpreted that as justification for surrogacy, but seems you’re maybe more on the fence and thinking it through.

Personally I think the reason someone wants to use a surrogate is irrelevant. Not to the individual, because obviously to the individual whatever happens in their life is in important. However generally to me, the reason is irrelevant because I find it unethical regardless.

crumblingschools · 01/12/2023 13:37

@Mooshamoo you keep ignoring the impact on the child

ASGIRC · 01/12/2023 13:38

crumblingschools · 01/12/2023 12:38

@ASGIRC what about the baby? Adoption now very much focuses on the child rather than adoptive parents, this should be happening with surrogacy. Babies are being treated as commodities

The baby will be loved. They will spend zero time in care.
Not to mention the fact that, in this instance, the baby is biologically Paris' and Carter's.
But even then, why not have the same support as adoptive kids, if that's what you mean?
I'm sure the adaptation is hard even for the parents.

This assumption that birth parents are always the best is akin to saying breast is best.
Sure, it might be, sometimes, but fed is actually best, just like loved is best.

crumblingschools · 01/12/2023 13:40

@ASGIRC I am speaking as an adopted person. The rights of the child comes first. Yes the child will hopefully be loved but they are being taken from their birth mother, so it is not as simple as the baby being loved

CurlewKate · 01/12/2023 13:40

"not all surrogates are poor and it is not always about money."

When rich white woman start doing it let's talk again.

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:41

@crumblingschools you said I ignore the impact on the child. That's true. We have been talking about the mothers so far.

Talking about the child - i can't know how a child in that instance feels. And I wonder how the child would fee.

And maybe there should be a lot of studies carried out on how children of surrogacy feel. How it impacts them.

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:43

@CurlewKate there are definitely rich white surrogates.

Women often are surrogates for their own sisters. There are loads of stories of that happening in the UK. No money exchanged

Gall10 · 01/12/2023 13:43

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:24

@Dowhadiddydiddydum I didn't say it's ok to risk another woman's life. For fuck sak

I said that usually the main reason that people do surrogacy is that it is not possible for them to carry a pregnancy. That they are either not able to carry a pregnancy at all, or that they have a high risk of death if they carry another pregancy

That is why most women choose a surrogate.

Kim Kardashian had placenta accreta and it had left a hole in her womb, she could not carry another pregnancy, this is why she used a surrogate, who had a healthy womb.

So she took out a 9 month lease on another woman’s womb?

CurlewKate · 01/12/2023 13:43

@Mooshamoo "The therapist suggested things like Kim and the surrogate should text each other once a week. The therapist alos suggested that they talk about what Kim and the surrogate want on the birth day, so that both their wishes were respected."

For that she went to therapy school?

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:44

I think there was more to it than that.

I think the therapist said that Kim and the surrogate needed to talk and agree on everything that they wanted to happen.

Those were just two of many.

beatrix1234 · 01/12/2023 13:46

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:37

@WeFancyLike

It is not just about risk. What if the first woman is not able to carry a child at all. Many women have medical conditions where they are not able to carry a child.

  1. not all surrogates are poor and it is not always about money.

I just read an article about a woman in the UK. She was not able to carry a baby. Her sister decided to be a surrogate for her. It was a lovely story. Her sister wanted to help her

I think as long as there’s no money involved it’s fine, problem is when poor women start having babies for rich women so they can put a roof over their head or pay their bills.

Mooshamoo · 01/12/2023 13:48

I see khloe Kardashian (she had her last baby by surrogate) said that she felt the whole thing was very "transactional".

ASGIRC · 01/12/2023 13:49

crumblingschools · 01/12/2023 13:40

@ASGIRC I am speaking as an adopted person. The rights of the child comes first. Yes the child will hopefully be loved but they are being taken from their birth mother, so it is not as simple as the baby being loved

But were you adopted at birth or did you spend time in care?

Also, biology is important, in law, whether you like it or not.
And in this case, the baby is Paris',and it is in the best interests of the baby that it is with her and her husband.

And birth parents aren't the be all/end all.

I do think there should be a provision for support in surrogacy. For the child and the parents. Just like in the case of adoption.

But I'm sure you don't advocate we end adoption, right?! Or do you think being in the system is preferable?!

WeFancyLike · 01/12/2023 13:50

It is not just about risk. What if the first woman is not able to carry a child at all. Many women have medical conditions where they are not able to carry a child.

Its sad but never justifies renting a womb and /or buying a baby. No one has a right to have children. This is all about adults wants.

2) not all surrogates are poor and it is not always about money.

Lol. In the vast majority of cases they are and it is. How many rich women have babies for infertile couples who are poor?

I just read an article about a woman in the UK. She was not able to carry a baby. Her sister decided to be a surrogate for her. It was a lovely story. Her sister wanted to help her

Very small number and it’s always mentioned by those wanting to justify surrogacy even though most surrogacy looks nothing like this. Even in cases like this between siblings, there is guilt, expectation, manipulation etc. Read those stories. Not to mention the child’s feelings in all this.

WeFancyLike · 01/12/2023 13:53

Adoption isn’t comparable. Adoption is making the best of a situation with a child that is already conceived or in the world which is very different to commissioning one that doesn’t yet exist.