Paris Hilton surrogacy

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"Surrogacy was a difficult decision to make," she admitted.
"I would have loved that experience of growing the baby in your tummy and feeling the kicks and all of those exciting moments, but my life has just been so public," she continued. "So even though the baby is biologically mine and Carter's, we decided to have a surrogate carry him."

What does that even mean ? What does being in the public eye have to do with carrying your own child ?

Was she? Was that part of the kidnapping and being taken off to some weird camp thing?

That is truely horrific. I’m surprised she has anything to do with her parents.

I’ve also read articles about people in the sex industries and porn industry who love it and enjoy it. Doesn’t mean the industry/process itself isn’t exploitative. also in the case of surrogacy it’s not just the two women involved, it’s also the infant.

Laws are desperately needed surrounding surrogacy to protect the most vulnerable women. I’m afraid even if the odd women genuinely loves giving birth and handing the baby over to someone else, that doesn’t stop it being a dangerous and exploitative practice as a whole in my opinion.

But some people VOLUNTEER to be surrogates.
Youre not making anyone carry your baby for you!
Some people LOVE it! (I dont get it, but they exist!!!!)
Theres this woman on Insta/TikTok, who has 2 year old quadruplets, and shes a surrogate. She actively WANTS to carry babies for other people.

If they want to, why is that wrong?

In my country, you cant pay people to carry your baby. Surrogates are volunteers. Sure, all their medical expenses are paid for, but thats literally just the consults (if done privately, we do have free healthcare), and any medication they might have to take, like vitamins. Same with egg and sperm donors. They are not paid, apart from expenses.

This is not an exploitation os rich people over poor people. People are free to choose. And Im sure they didnt just accost some poor woman on the street, going "Hey, I want you to carry my baby, I wont take no for an answer, heres some money!". They probably found these people on surrogacy agencies/websites! They were already volunteering!

My previous post pretty much covers my thoughts on the fact that some people “volunteer”.

So out of interests what would be your thought on someone selling their 1 day old baby then for the cost of what maternity leave cost them? Or giving away their 1 day old baby to someone who wanted a baby for free?

I just think that surrogacy came into being very quickly without a lot of studies on the ethics or moral of it.

When did surrogacy actually start

@ASGIRC what about the baby? Adoption now very much focuses on the child rather than adoptive parents, this should be happening with surrogacy. Babies are being treated as commodities

I watched the documentary . I can understand a bit why her parents did what they did.

Her mother said that when Paris Hilton was 15, they were living in new york city. Paris would refuse to go to school at all and she would go to nightclubs at 15, and then disappear and not come home for four days at a time. She would refuse to go to school at all and just disappear with a much older crowd for days and days.

Her mother said she was worried about her all the time and that she thought the only solution was to put her daughter into a strict boarding school.

It would not surprise me if her underlying reasons for going down the surrogacy path were more complicated than she reveals to the press.

however, the narrative she is presenting is hugely irresponsible. The justification she provides is ridiculously thin and could have been easily managed with her financial resources. She and her husband exploited another woman. If they are going to do that, the least they could do is present a narrative to the press that provides some real rational for their behavior. Instead, they contribute to the narrative that using another woman’s body to produce a child is something that can be done lightly.

I think theoretically I might use a surrogate. My mother nearly died giving birth to me. She was very close to dying. She had pre eclampsia which developed into other things. She said it makes me more at risk of having pre eclampsia too. I don't want to risk my life to have a baby.

I'm not having a baby. I don't want children. But In theory if I did I may use a surrogate.

@Mooshamoo Because it’s fine to risk another woman’s life of course.

@Mooshamoo I believe there's a Bible story that is essentially surrogacy. It's not really new in one form or another.

I don't care who is doing it-commercial surrogacy should be banned. I'd like to say all surrogacy should, but familial surrogacy had gone in for ever, and is unstoppable.

That's bullshit.

Pregnancy doesn't risk everyone's life does it?

Some women are much more likely to have a high risk pregnancy, than other women are.

If I know because of my family's medical history and my genetics, that I am likely to have a high risk pregnancy.

And if I find a surrogate who has no history of high risk pregnancies in her family history.

She is not at high risk.

That is why people do surrogacy.

Again I am talking about this in theory, I am not doing this.

I remember Kim Kardashian said that is why she chose to have a surrogate for her last two pregnancies. Because her first two pregnancies were extremely dangerous.

She had something wrong with her. And her doctors advised her that it was not safe for her to carry another pregnancy.

@Mooshamoo pregnancy and childbirth is not risk free. I had complications after giving birth, totally unforeseen. Without quick medical intervention I could have died

But Kim Kardasian didn't NEED another child. Putting another woman's life at risk, even without known risk factors, because she fancies another child is just selfish.

Especially when you take into consideration many of these celebrities surrogates happen in America which has a terrible maternal mortality rate

Yea i understand that birth can be a risk for every woman. I applaud women who give birth, you are all heroes.

I think the women who choose surrogacy generally something so medically wrong with them that they cannot have a pregnancy at all.

Didn't Kim Kardashian say she had placenta accreta and they had to rip the placenta out , and it left a big hole in her womb, so another embryo would never be able to attach to it , so she couldn't successfully carry another pregnancy again.

Surrogacy has been happening for centuries in a very hush hush way. It was not unknown for rich women or the wife of some king who could not have children or provide an heir to pay a young maid to make them a child then adopt it. There was no IVF involved but the principle was more or less the same: pay a poor woman to breed for you. In modern days this Just got legally regulated, with many countries making it ilegal. Like with abortion wealthy women from these countries end up going to the US, arranging the surrogacy over there then hiring a very expensive lawyer to do the paper work and bring the child back to the country. It’s no secret.

I was just reading more about Kim k's surrogacy as she is the most famous one tha to know about.

She said that they hired a surrogacy lawyer and a surrogacy broker. And that the broker suggested that they also hire a surrogacy therapist.

The therapist suggested things like Kim and the surrogate should text each other once a week. The therapist alos suggested that they talk about what Kim and the surrogate want on the birth day, so that both their wishes were respected.

At least it seems to be quite a respectful process

Pregnancy is the riskiest thing a woman will do in this modern world.

I've had fertility struggles and I'm forever grateful I conceived a child via ivf. I would never ever have considered buying a baby if they hadn't worked.

I don't believe Paris' motivations and reasoning. If she used her own eggs then she underwent invasive procedures. She also posted pics of her baby in magazine deals- no attempt to shield them. She could've hid for 9 months in one of her mansions with servants catering for her every need.

In my view, like other celebs who have done the same, they've done it cos they can. Why risk their health and body when they can pay someone else to do it for them. They get to keep their size 6 figures too.

@Mooshamoo why does KK or any woman have a right to a child, at any cost? Kk had 2 children already. Thats enough for anybody.

Insane that they don’t see the irony of asking someone else to take that risk isnt it.

@Mooshamoo will they also employ a therapist for the child. The child’s needs have to come first

@Mooshamoo there was also stipulations that Kk was able to make medical decisions for the surrogate regarding the baby. For example if the surrogate experienced horrendous morning sickness or anything else she had no agency over her body and wouldn't have been able to terminate. Likewise if the baby had a genetic/ developmental condition the buyer could make the surrogate abort.

Yes I do see the arguments for and against. I just think if Kim k's surrogate wants to be a surrogate, and is happy to do it, you know theres no stopping her really is therw.

Like is the whole idea of it ethically wrong, that you shouldnt ever be able to buy someone elses womb, even if the woman (the surrogate) consents to it and says she is happy to do it.

It's an interesting one regarding consent and ethics

There is no justification for renting a woman's body. Not ever. Human beings are not and never should be commodities for others to USE.

And to tear a newborn baby away from her mother (the woman who gives birth is the mother) is unspeakable. The baby knows her voice, feels and recognises her unique presence...we don't do it to puppies or kittens but we do it to children? What kind of trauma, perhaps lifelong, will this inflict on these babies?

by law you cannot make someone abort, that’s not legal. I’m sure there was a lengthy contract drawn that stipulated Kim could get out of said surrogacy if baby had a defect, but you cannot force someone to have an abortion.