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Awake stewing at 3am due to disgraceful party etiquette

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Anonymouse2019 · 27/11/2023 03:50

It was recently my daughter's 4th birthday party. She attends a nursery preschool and she is one of the eldest so most of the other children are still 3 years old.

We didn't know who her closest friends were when writing invitations about 6 weeks ago so decided to invite the whole class of 18 kids. 13 RSVP'd, 10 of those could come.

With the invitations addressed to the children, we included a little note for parents/guardians with a bit more info about the venue and a little bit about our child which was relevant to the party. We also stated that a gift for our child wasn't necessary and that their child's company would be the best gift for our little girl (mainly that was us being diplomatic in a COL crisis) BUT we said if their child wanted to give or make a card for our daughter, that would be lovely and that we would keep them in her memory box for when she was a bit older (after she'd opened them, obviously).

Also in this note we said that the entrance fee and lunch for their child was covered but if the invited child wished to bring siblings, the parent/guardian would need to purchase food at the venue for that/those siblings.

I'll get to the point now.

One mum of a boy, F, replied saying he could attend. She did bring her child to the party and she also brought the child's older cousin (not invited as not a sibling but anyway...). Cousin was 8 years old.

F's older cousin sat down with the invited younger children and was helping himself to party food when we'd specifically said non-imvited children must have meals paid for separately by parents. The adult with them stood there and did nothing but I didn't realise until the meal was nearly over because there was so much going on in the room. Several other kids brought siblings and ALL their parents paid for those siblings' meals except for F's mother.

F was a pushy, grabby bully. He was pushing the other invited children about with no interference from his mum. I was wrapping cupcakes in clean napkins to add to the children's party bags (after they'd already had some birthday cake) and F came over and started grabbing at the cupcakes, running the icing and details on 4 or 5 of them. I very gently said these were to take home, they were not for now but he could have some more birthday cake instead. He started to scream. Not wanting other guests/parents to think I was hurting this child or being mean, I gave him a cupcake (one he'd ruined by trying to grab them) and he disappeared with it. No other children did this.

At the end of the day, they were the only guests not to say goodbye, or thank you for inviting them. More importantly they didn't wish my daughter a happy birthday or acknowledge her at all.

We came away with a small stack of cards and a couple of presents which was lovely. My child opened them later at home. None of them were from F.

F had taken home, as had all the other invited guests, a party bag put together by me, which contained some children's colouring stuff, a pot of bubbles, sweets, mini packet of biscuits and a little rubber stamp, plus the cupcake. Of course it was our choice to provide these and we were happy to.

So, F's cousin got a free meal when he shouldn't have (there wasn't plenty to go round either!), he got an extra cupcake and ruined several others which had to be thrown away, they didn't acknowledge our daughter in any way and didn't make or buy her a card. They also didn't say goodbye and I'm fact slipped out without us realising right at the end. F's behaviour was also disgusting yet he got his party bag and everything else paid for by us.

I woke at 3am thinking about the injustice of this and have been wondering if I should hand his mum a note on the school run, or even invoice her for the cousin's meal and the ruined cupcakes, but for the sake of about £10 it doesn't seem worth the bad feeling and aggro for every school run hereon in, however letting the mother get away with all this scot-free to me is not okay either.

Obviously we know not to invite F to anything again, but should I say something in private away from kids and other parents to his mum or is that a step too far?

OP posts:
PassageDEnfer · 29/11/2023 18:28

Jeez. People need to get a grip and behave like adults. Ideally with an understanding that not everyone in the world follows the same rule book.

Redjoy · 29/11/2023 18:32

As a mum, and now gran of five, I would suggest you simply don’t waste your energy on this. It’s over, your child and the other kids had a good time , no one came to harm and you have learned not to invite these people again. Life is just too short to get wound up about stuff like this!

Isinglass20 · 29/11/2023 18:34

You’ve heard about Sod’s law? 10
years time this little bully might be OPs daughter’s ‘bestie’ and they’ll both laugh about how they first met 🤣🤣

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greenbeansnspinach · 29/11/2023 18:59

When my brother was six or seven, in about 1965, my mum invited some of his friends round for his birthday. It was like a zoo! One boy in particular, with snot streaming down his face (that seemed to be more of a thing in the 60’s than it is now) jumped on chairs making monkey noises, throwing food around … other boys joined in … I remember staring horrified at the ghastly scene that was unrolling. My rather timid mother was completely out of her depth. How we survived I do not know, but we did, and it’s still a tale we tell and laugh about nearly sixty years later. I hope you’ll be able to do the same - wouldn’t life be boring without things going pear shaped occasionally? I’m sure your daughter was oblivious and had a great time, as did my brother all those years ago.

Julimia · 29/11/2023 19:01

Oh me oh my just chalk it up to experience and plan next years party!! you did everything right so not your problem. All the worrying in the world wont change some people.

Ilovecleaning · 29/11/2023 19:12

Anonymouse2019 · 27/11/2023 04:14

CF! I'm not "very privileged" or "uptight" at all! I've worked hard and saved for this party for months, plus all the planning and extra little details done with care but of my own choosing. This kid wasn't "a little unpleasant", he was a total brat and a bully and ruined my daughter's birthday party, they didn't acknowledge my daughter or the fact that it was her birthday and just trashed stuff whilst take, take, taking. You are clearly like F's mum in thinking this is any way acceptable! And it's not about "smearing a cupcake" which is not what I actually said.

I agree flowerchild2000 is a CF! Some people on MN are sh*t- stirring wind-up merchants. Clearly she did not the post properly- as in reading carefully and understanding. Another example of hiding behind the keyboard and saying things that they wouldn’t have the guts to say to your face. You wrote a good reply btw. 🌺

anon666 · 29/11/2023 19:18

Just leave it and then absolutely never invite them again. If I'm honest I would struggle not to have a moan to other parent friends about this but in an ideal world I know I shouldn't. It never reflects well when you bitch, tempting though it is.

SequentialAnalyst · 29/11/2023 19:32

And still they go on. I would nominate this thread for Classics but it's too boring.
Some posters seem to think they are texting or WhatsApping each other, instead of posting on a public forum on a thread that wasn't even started by them. StrangeConfused

Mrspenfold123 · 29/11/2023 19:33

Just be glad you are bringing up your child better. Relax, take a deep breathe and get on with your life. Other than that, nothing is a great thing to do about it!

Gobleki · 29/11/2023 19:35

@greenbeansnspinach

haha I remember that! We called them snot candles. Was a common thing 🤢

kneehightoacat · 29/11/2023 19:55

Totally rude and inappropriate but please dont dwell on this at 3am for your own sanity

VeryAncientMater · 29/11/2023 20:11

There's really no need to swear.

momonpurpose · 29/11/2023 20:12

I couldn't agree more Ilovecleaning

Hammy65 · 29/11/2023 20:27

Hang on! Just read your post again. It was the uninvited eight year old who caused the problem … not the little folk. You are certainly not being unreasonable but as others are wisely pointing out - best to tread carefully with the whole school gate scenario! Very upsetting, though so big hug from me.

Utterknowitall · 29/11/2023 20:58

OP, YABU. And I personally think it is incredibly sad for F that he already has grown ups judging him. He's 3 ffs.

sunglassesonthetable · 29/11/2023 21:02

OP, YABU. And I personally think it is incredibly sad for F that he already has grown ups judging him. He's 3 ffs.

OP is annoyed with the mother. Who didn't stop him behaving badly.

Ellyesse · 29/11/2023 21:03

Anonymouse2019 I'm so sorry you had this horrible experience. I regret that it is one most of us can relate to though.
My feeling is that it is best not to bother to approach the parents of the offensive children. They simply won't understand. I actually feel terribly sorry for these children because they are clearly being brought up without the kind of loving care that wants to help them learn how to treat others and be kind to them. My first career was in teaching and I saw many of these neglected souls. They were rough and ready, showing no consideration for others and quickly becoming disliked by the other children and ending up friendless. As they grew older they became more rude and aggressive. I think as a reaction to knowing they are not liked and are different to others. They usually think all the others are snobs who look down on them and this has an element of truth, for good manners is a middle-class value I suppose. However, they do not see the point that it is because we do not want to hurt or upset others that we have good manners. Nobody has explained it to them, far less taught them by example, and usually their homes were emotionally cold with few gentle words or endearments.
I would add too that sometimes the parents felt inadequate or just did not fit in. I noticed this among the seemingly poorer children who were a bit scruffy looking. But they did not necessarily come from homes where there was not as much money coming in. Usually it reflected parents who just weren't coping very well at home and there are a hundred reasons for this, all very varied. Some people just find it hard to fit in. At least these parents turned up. It might be that they hadn't taken in what you explained in your thoughtful invitation. Maybe reading isn't a great thing for them. I remember a young Colleague complaining about a Parent who said 'Is it a lot?' when she was asked to read through her son's homework with him. The boy was having extra help. I explained to the younger Teacher that it was quite likely the mum found the reading part a challenge too. I used to try and invite some of the parents in to sit with me when I gave individual tuition to children needing a bit of a boost. I could tell it helped them. In fact they said so.
To make sure your child is not upset by people who have bad manners, just explain that some people are different and not as lucky as she is because they don't realise how much nicer it is when people are thoughtful, and tell her how proud you are of her when she is kind and well mannered.

ErinBell01 · 29/11/2023 21:10

I would go over and over the injustice of it all in my mind a few times, but I don't think I'd say anything to the mum. I'm sure it would be like water off a duck's back and you would probably feel even more aggrieved. BUT, just think, you have a great story to tell all and sundry for many years to come!

RingInTheNew · 29/11/2023 21:13

There’s always at least one child at a birthday party who behaves badly. Like them, parents behave badly too. I wouldn’t waste energy dwelling on it - your daughter and the other kids probably didn’t notice as much as you did.

Jojofjo44 · 29/11/2023 21:26

I'd be having a private word with her, but I'm a gobby one who loves a bit of passive aggressive confrontation so....

Lotstodotoday · 29/11/2023 21:28

Coloursingreydays · 29/11/2023 17:51

the bully was 8. not 3. and there are lots lots of bullies at that age.

No, you have it backwards.

It's the three year old, F, who OP describes as a badly behaved bully.

His cousin (aged 8) ate some of the party meal without his aunt paying extra. This eight year old cousin's behaviour isn't mentioned much otherwise (though along with his cousin and aunt it appears he may have neglected to wish the birthday girl a happy birthday).

cockadoodledandy · 29/11/2023 21:33

flowerchild2000 · 27/11/2023 04:20

When you can't see that being able to save money to begin with is a privilege, that really says a lot. Literally no one said it was acceptable. It's just not worth getting so wound up about. Be happy you were able to provide a nice party and get some sleep.

Who are you to say that OP is privileged? For all you know they've gone without something for months to be able to pay for this.

If we now live in a world where we're judging and sneering at people for being able to put a bit of money aside each month, we really are in a race to the bottom.

Myfabby · 29/11/2023 21:53

ErinBell01 · 29/11/2023 21:10

I would go over and over the injustice of it all in my mind a few times, but I don't think I'd say anything to the mum. I'm sure it would be like water off a duck's back and you would probably feel even more aggrieved. BUT, just think, you have a great story to tell all and sundry for many years to come!

injustice? over cupcakes. right!

flowerchild2000 · 29/11/2023 22:03

cockadoodledandy · 29/11/2023 21:33

Who are you to say that OP is privileged? For all you know they've gone without something for months to be able to pay for this.

If we now live in a world where we're judging and sneering at people for being able to put a bit of money aside each month, we really are in a race to the bottom.

I don't think you understand what privilege means. You sound like a very negative person. Lighten up, smell the roses. Exactly what I said to OP. Be thankful for what you have.

sunglassesonthetable · 29/11/2023 22:46

Negative? The irony ??😂😂😂 Honestly you couldn't make it up.

@flowerchild2000

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