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Awake stewing at 3am due to disgraceful party etiquette

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Anonymouse2019 · 27/11/2023 03:50

It was recently my daughter's 4th birthday party. She attends a nursery preschool and she is one of the eldest so most of the other children are still 3 years old.

We didn't know who her closest friends were when writing invitations about 6 weeks ago so decided to invite the whole class of 18 kids. 13 RSVP'd, 10 of those could come.

With the invitations addressed to the children, we included a little note for parents/guardians with a bit more info about the venue and a little bit about our child which was relevant to the party. We also stated that a gift for our child wasn't necessary and that their child's company would be the best gift for our little girl (mainly that was us being diplomatic in a COL crisis) BUT we said if their child wanted to give or make a card for our daughter, that would be lovely and that we would keep them in her memory box for when she was a bit older (after she'd opened them, obviously).

Also in this note we said that the entrance fee and lunch for their child was covered but if the invited child wished to bring siblings, the parent/guardian would need to purchase food at the venue for that/those siblings.

I'll get to the point now.

One mum of a boy, F, replied saying he could attend. She did bring her child to the party and she also brought the child's older cousin (not invited as not a sibling but anyway...). Cousin was 8 years old.

F's older cousin sat down with the invited younger children and was helping himself to party food when we'd specifically said non-imvited children must have meals paid for separately by parents. The adult with them stood there and did nothing but I didn't realise until the meal was nearly over because there was so much going on in the room. Several other kids brought siblings and ALL their parents paid for those siblings' meals except for F's mother.

F was a pushy, grabby bully. He was pushing the other invited children about with no interference from his mum. I was wrapping cupcakes in clean napkins to add to the children's party bags (after they'd already had some birthday cake) and F came over and started grabbing at the cupcakes, running the icing and details on 4 or 5 of them. I very gently said these were to take home, they were not for now but he could have some more birthday cake instead. He started to scream. Not wanting other guests/parents to think I was hurting this child or being mean, I gave him a cupcake (one he'd ruined by trying to grab them) and he disappeared with it. No other children did this.

At the end of the day, they were the only guests not to say goodbye, or thank you for inviting them. More importantly they didn't wish my daughter a happy birthday or acknowledge her at all.

We came away with a small stack of cards and a couple of presents which was lovely. My child opened them later at home. None of them were from F.

F had taken home, as had all the other invited guests, a party bag put together by me, which contained some children's colouring stuff, a pot of bubbles, sweets, mini packet of biscuits and a little rubber stamp, plus the cupcake. Of course it was our choice to provide these and we were happy to.

So, F's cousin got a free meal when he shouldn't have (there wasn't plenty to go round either!), he got an extra cupcake and ruined several others which had to be thrown away, they didn't acknowledge our daughter in any way and didn't make or buy her a card. They also didn't say goodbye and I'm fact slipped out without us realising right at the end. F's behaviour was also disgusting yet he got his party bag and everything else paid for by us.

I woke at 3am thinking about the injustice of this and have been wondering if I should hand his mum a note on the school run, or even invoice her for the cousin's meal and the ruined cupcakes, but for the sake of about £10 it doesn't seem worth the bad feeling and aggro for every school run hereon in, however letting the mother get away with all this scot-free to me is not okay either.

Obviously we know not to invite F to anything again, but should I say something in private away from kids and other parents to his mum or is that a step too far?

OP posts:
flowerchild2000 · 28/11/2023 18:46

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 18:07

i think the OP is being ott @flowerchild2000 and i own it

You know you didn’t mean “very privileged” following “you are very uptight” as some kind of gentle supportive positive reminder. So own it rather than this simpering “what’s wrong with being privileged?”. It’s coming across a little… peculiar

It's not a bad thing. I literally said (several times) she has a lot to be thankful for. You're reaching.

missushbbb · 28/11/2023 18:52

This is totally over the top. 3 year old acts up at a party. Talking about invoicing!! That's mental. It's not a wedding!

sunglassesonthetable · 28/11/2023 19:02

It's not a bad thing. I literally said (several times) she has a lot to be thankful for. You're reaching.

No they're not.

Everyone read it. Why does OP have to be thankful for anything. It's irrelevant.

It looked like a massive dig. Lovely. Stop digging.

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Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 19:09

moomoomoo27 · 28/11/2023 18:41

Yes exactly. The canteen was across the road so there were staggered lunch sittings - girls would play in the playground, boys would be eating lunch across the road, and then swap.

It was separate until the mid 1980s.

Edited

ah…. mid 1980s

explains a lot.

These don’t exist anymore

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 19:10

flowerchild2000 · 28/11/2023 18:46

It's not a bad thing. I literally said (several times) she has a lot to be thankful for. You're reaching.

still not owning it

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 19:10

sunglassesonthetable · 28/11/2023 19:02

It's not a bad thing. I literally said (several times) she has a lot to be thankful for. You're reaching.

No they're not.

Everyone read it. Why does OP have to be thankful for anything. It's irrelevant.

It looked like a massive dig. Lovely. Stop digging.

especially as previous sentence, @flowerchild2000 called her “very uptight!”

flowerchild2000 · 28/11/2023 19:15

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 19:10

still not owning it

What you are saying is untrue. You are trying to put words in my mouth, but it's not working.

SequentialAnalyst · 28/11/2023 19:23
Grin
sunglassesonthetable · 28/11/2023 19:27

What you are saying is untrue. You are trying to put words in my mouth, but it's not working.

You said it 😄🤷‍♀️ read back.

LittleMonks11 · 28/11/2023 19:33

Vonesk · 28/11/2023 18:06

You should not say anything to the parent.
Believe me God will give his revenge.
But you must earn others about this family ( if you are presented with the opportunity.)
You are fortunate that you got to experience for yourself the caliber of this family as in the future your child could have been at risk if invited to THEIR house. You know to keep your distance. I would count this knowledge: A Blessing. No need to be vengeful or catty, with notes. Just warn your friends. These types worm their way in and STEAL HUSBANDS TOO, as well as cakes!!!!!

Wait, what?

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 19:37

flowerchild2000 · 28/11/2023 19:15

What you are saying is untrue. You are trying to put words in my mouth, but it's not working.

what is it that i’m saying is untrue

  1. you said the Op was “very privileged”. true
  2. you said the OP was also “very uptight” and that she needs to “chilll. true
  3. you are insistent that you were only very positively reminding her of her privilege. false (see 2)
  4. you refuse to admit your intentions weren’t as pure as the driven snow. true
  5. instead preferring faux naïveté. true
  6. whereas most of us either think the OP is being daft and OTT (me) and own it. Or genuinely we supportive. true
enlighten me?
Myfabby · 28/11/2023 19:39

LittleMonks11 · 28/11/2023 19:33

Wait, what?

😂😂😂

God will give revenge over a smeared cupcake or two

And F & his 8 year old cousin will steal husbands.

Right

flowerchild2000 · 28/11/2023 20:12

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 19:37

what is it that i’m saying is untrue

  1. you said the Op was “very privileged”. true
  2. you said the OP was also “very uptight” and that she needs to “chilll. true
  3. you are insistent that you were only very positively reminding her of her privilege. false (see 2)
  4. you refuse to admit your intentions weren’t as pure as the driven snow. true
  5. instead preferring faux naïveté. true
  6. whereas most of us either think the OP is being daft and OTT (me) and own it. Or genuinely we supportive. true
enlighten me?

I really don't care what anyone else thinks. Uptight and privileged are two different and unrelated things. Why are you so obsessed with me?

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 20:16

Why are you so obsessed with me?

😂

because the simpering faux naïveté was getting a bit annoying. You won’t own it. So, i’ll let you simper away

momonpurpose · 28/11/2023 20:31

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 18:07

i think the OP is being ott @flowerchild2000 and i own it

You know you didn’t mean “very privileged” following “you are very uptight” as some kind of gentle supportive positive reminder. So own it rather than this simpering “what’s wrong with being privileged?”. It’s coming across a little… peculiar

Seems to have a issue with "privilege" I think it says more about the poster then the OP

Tourmalines · 28/11/2023 20:56

momonpurpose · 28/11/2023 20:31

Seems to have a issue with "privilege" I think it says more about the poster then the OP

True . She’s in denial.

Tourmalines · 28/11/2023 21:02

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 18:03

Let’s face it…. about 90% of us on mumsnet are “privileged”

so do you hop on to the vast majority of threads and remind people with good intentions that they are privileged?

nope. Didn’t think so 😂

maybe she does , lol .

Ourlittletalks · 28/11/2023 22:03

You specified that siblings could attend on the invitation - that was your first mistake. You specified that gifts weren’t necessary but if they wanted to they could make a card, clearly the fact that F didn’t bring a card has upset you. If you had omitted that from the invitation your DD would’ve likely gotten a gift or a card from everyone in attendance. For my DD 5th birthday party this year the invite specified the date, time, and location. I had my name and contact number on it for RSVP. Everyone arrived with a gift and a card, we invited 30 kids and 23 showed up, only 20 RSVPd but a few parents called me the morning of.

one boy there was rough with the other kids and pushed a few out of his way etc. I raised it with his mother while we were still at the party and she put a stop to it immediately.

I think you set yourself up for failure by having such relaxed boundaries. When you send birthday party invitations, only the child named is invited. You don’t need to mention anything about siblings. It is also assumed that their entry fee and food is covered, as you’re the one hosting the party so you don’t need to mention that either.

MyopicBunny · 28/11/2023 22:15

I think you set yourself up for failure by having such relaxed boundaries.

Exactly right. I think the old adage 'if you give people an inch, they'll take a mile' holds true, here. Just because you would do the morally correct thing, does not mean that others also would and many would take it as a free pass to take full advantage.

Muddybooties · 29/11/2023 00:46

Geneve82 · 28/11/2023 15:19

credit to you for admitting how your original points came across (very strongly!) that it was school policy.

Even so… the idea of 33 parents all on board with this “segregation “ of every party from “8-10”…. is peculiar to say the least

and or where turn out is poor add friends of opposite sex to make up numbers. so now you’re saying that there are mixed sex parties if “turn out is low” (how would you know “turn out was low” so he parents invited extra?

Edited

@Geneve82

Completely unintentional. At times I do find I am more aware of the “school gate Mum” policy than the school policy though!! 😂

There are 28 and 26 children in each class not 33.

I am aware that turn out is low because
a) I can count how many out of the main sex showed up
b) the mothers will say they were able to invite some of the girls/boys (whichever is applicable) because a lot of people are away on hol for example

As I said we talk a lot about the kids in person and in chat so everyone knows what is going on.

Muddybooties · 29/11/2023 00:53

Also for anyone interested.

Following the accusations of sexism and so forth over the idea that myself and other Mums hold predominantly single sex parties (with a few exceptions)….

I asked the kids if this was wrong, and it went like this —>

DS
Would you like to have a party with boys and girls next year?
—- No… no, no, no… just boys
Why’s that, do you not like to play the girls?
—- I do. But sadly, they don’t. They say they’d rather play with someone else and they’ve been running around chasing us and trying to poison us with pretend poison mud.
So no girls then?
—- NO

DD
Do you fancy a party with boys and girls next year?
—— Uuuggghh

Geneve82 · 29/11/2023 06:03

Tourmalines · 28/11/2023 20:56

True . She’s in denial.

not denial. Doesn’t have the backbone to say - yes i meant privileged with negative connotations

Geneve82 · 29/11/2023 06:04

@Muddybooties

There is something very very odd about your school. However, i don’t think that’s too much of a problem for you!!

Geneve82 · 29/11/2023 06:09

As I said we talk a lot about the kids in person and in chat so everyone knows what is going on.

all 28 without exception have this herd mentality of blindly following that whole class parties until (halfway through year 1)

then move on to all of only single sex (unless the poor bugger has a poor turn out then the mother is permitted to invite the other gender) until “8-10”

and then… freedom.

we have gone from this being most certainly being conveyed as school policy to an “unwritten rule”

Surely @Muddybooties , surely, you can conceded that not all 28 parents will blindly follow this unwritten rule year in and year out

what happens if they would like to do a trip to a theme park? or have a little birthday tea at home. It seems utterly unfathomable to you that possibly this is going on, but your child has t been invited to one of them!

KJKB · 29/11/2023 07:13

She may have hustled them out at the end due to embarrassment over how her child had behaved. There is also the possibility of them being in a tight financial position or them being unfamiliar with birthday party etiquette. It really is hard to tell. I do appreciate the frustration over the poor behaviour going unchecked though. Chalk it up as a lesson learned and don't invite them again.