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Awake stewing at 3am due to disgraceful party etiquette

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Anonymouse2019 · 27/11/2023 03:50

It was recently my daughter's 4th birthday party. She attends a nursery preschool and she is one of the eldest so most of the other children are still 3 years old.

We didn't know who her closest friends were when writing invitations about 6 weeks ago so decided to invite the whole class of 18 kids. 13 RSVP'd, 10 of those could come.

With the invitations addressed to the children, we included a little note for parents/guardians with a bit more info about the venue and a little bit about our child which was relevant to the party. We also stated that a gift for our child wasn't necessary and that their child's company would be the best gift for our little girl (mainly that was us being diplomatic in a COL crisis) BUT we said if their child wanted to give or make a card for our daughter, that would be lovely and that we would keep them in her memory box for when she was a bit older (after she'd opened them, obviously).

Also in this note we said that the entrance fee and lunch for their child was covered but if the invited child wished to bring siblings, the parent/guardian would need to purchase food at the venue for that/those siblings.

I'll get to the point now.

One mum of a boy, F, replied saying he could attend. She did bring her child to the party and she also brought the child's older cousin (not invited as not a sibling but anyway...). Cousin was 8 years old.

F's older cousin sat down with the invited younger children and was helping himself to party food when we'd specifically said non-imvited children must have meals paid for separately by parents. The adult with them stood there and did nothing but I didn't realise until the meal was nearly over because there was so much going on in the room. Several other kids brought siblings and ALL their parents paid for those siblings' meals except for F's mother.

F was a pushy, grabby bully. He was pushing the other invited children about with no interference from his mum. I was wrapping cupcakes in clean napkins to add to the children's party bags (after they'd already had some birthday cake) and F came over and started grabbing at the cupcakes, running the icing and details on 4 or 5 of them. I very gently said these were to take home, they were not for now but he could have some more birthday cake instead. He started to scream. Not wanting other guests/parents to think I was hurting this child or being mean, I gave him a cupcake (one he'd ruined by trying to grab them) and he disappeared with it. No other children did this.

At the end of the day, they were the only guests not to say goodbye, or thank you for inviting them. More importantly they didn't wish my daughter a happy birthday or acknowledge her at all.

We came away with a small stack of cards and a couple of presents which was lovely. My child opened them later at home. None of them were from F.

F had taken home, as had all the other invited guests, a party bag put together by me, which contained some children's colouring stuff, a pot of bubbles, sweets, mini packet of biscuits and a little rubber stamp, plus the cupcake. Of course it was our choice to provide these and we were happy to.

So, F's cousin got a free meal when he shouldn't have (there wasn't plenty to go round either!), he got an extra cupcake and ruined several others which had to be thrown away, they didn't acknowledge our daughter in any way and didn't make or buy her a card. They also didn't say goodbye and I'm fact slipped out without us realising right at the end. F's behaviour was also disgusting yet he got his party bag and everything else paid for by us.

I woke at 3am thinking about the injustice of this and have been wondering if I should hand his mum a note on the school run, or even invoice her for the cousin's meal and the ruined cupcakes, but for the sake of about £10 it doesn't seem worth the bad feeling and aggro for every school run hereon in, however letting the mother get away with all this scot-free to me is not okay either.

Obviously we know not to invite F to anything again, but should I say something in private away from kids and other parents to his mum or is that a step too far?

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ElaineMBenes · 29/11/2023 07:17

Muddybooties · 29/11/2023 00:53

Also for anyone interested.

Following the accusations of sexism and so forth over the idea that myself and other Mums hold predominantly single sex parties (with a few exceptions)….

I asked the kids if this was wrong, and it went like this —>

DS
Would you like to have a party with boys and girls next year?
—- No… no, no, no… just boys
Why’s that, do you not like to play the girls?
—- I do. But sadly, they don’t. They say they’d rather play with someone else and they’ve been running around chasing us and trying to poison us with pretend poison mud.
So no girls then?
—- NO

DD
Do you fancy a party with boys and girls next year?
—— Uuuggghh

You know about socialisation yeah?

It sounds like you and your child's school have reinforced the idea that girls play with girls and boys play with boys. No wonder you got those responses!

But it sounds like you're happy with the situation though.
Personally I love that my 9 year old son has a mix of friends and will regularly go to girls parties and houses for tea etc. It's not an uncommon situation in our school/village.
I think it'll benefit him in the long run.

Muddybooties · 29/11/2023 09:48

Geneve82 · 29/11/2023 06:09

As I said we talk a lot about the kids in person and in chat so everyone knows what is going on.

all 28 without exception have this herd mentality of blindly following that whole class parties until (halfway through year 1)

then move on to all of only single sex (unless the poor bugger has a poor turn out then the mother is permitted to invite the other gender) until “8-10”

and then… freedom.

we have gone from this being most certainly being conveyed as school policy to an “unwritten rule”

Surely @Muddybooties , surely, you can conceded that not all 28 parents will blindly follow this unwritten rule year in and year out

what happens if they would like to do a trip to a theme park? or have a little birthday tea at home. It seems utterly unfathomable to you that possibly this is going on, but your child has t been invited to one of them!

@Geneve82

I never said it was school policy. Worded badly. And I was talking specifically about the big parties - some do do birthday tea with just their family, maybe one or two friends.

Beyond this the birthday parties are discussed in group chat, at playground and the school lists children with birthdays in the bulletin so that generates conversation around birthdays…

So yeah I have a pretty good idea what is going on. It is a close knit school community.

Honestly, there is a beautiful world out there, maybe get out of the house and breathe some fresh air….

Better than trying to have silly non arguments on MN.

Muddybooties · 29/11/2023 09:49

ElaineMBenes · 29/11/2023 07:17

You know about socialisation yeah?

It sounds like you and your child's school have reinforced the idea that girls play with girls and boys play with boys. No wonder you got those responses!

But it sounds like you're happy with the situation though.
Personally I love that my 9 year old son has a mix of friends and will regularly go to girls parties and houses for tea etc. It's not an uncommon situation in our school/village.
I think it'll benefit him in the long run.

@ElaineMBenes

I wish you and your kids all the best. Have a lovely day.

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Geneve82 · 29/11/2023 09:53

ah and we have another change

now some do in fact go rogue 😂

utterly bizarre, as a number of us are all in agreement!

housethatbuiltme · 29/11/2023 10:19

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ElaineMBenes · 29/11/2023 10:57

Honestly, there is a beautiful world out there, maybe get out of the house and breathe some fresh air….

Interesting statement from someone who actively promotes sex based segregation amongst children. Maybe take your own advice @Muddybooties

sunglassesonthetable · 29/11/2023 11:31

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sunglassesonthetable · 29/11/2023 11:31

Wrong thread obvs! Sorry .

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@housethatbuiltme seeing as I’m not going to voice record my children and place them on here just to placate an unknown woman who has difficulty acknowledging others lived experiences I think we’ll leave it there.

Have a lovely day and get out and enjoy the world!

housethatbuiltme · 29/11/2023 12:47

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Geneve82 · 29/11/2023 14:45

@housethatbuiltme i don’t actually believe @Muddybooties is intentionally making shit up. Instead very careless with her writing and prone to convey things as definitive and then back track. repeatedly. It has made for a peculiar and little farcical exchange between the poster and multiple other baffled poster sq such as you and I!

Emalhotra · 29/11/2023 15:00

Don’t waste your time or energy thinking about it, be grateful that they have the foresight to bring your children up with better manners

Muddybooties · 29/11/2023 15:02

To be clear, I write accurate accounts of my experiences.

Only three posters have felt baffled and felt the need to create a pointless argument for their own entertainment 🤷‍♀️

housethatbuiltme · 29/11/2023 15:13

Muddybooties · 29/11/2023 15:02

To be clear, I write accurate accounts of my experiences.

Only three posters have felt baffled and felt the need to create a pointless argument for their own entertainment 🤷‍♀️

You talk on behalf of others and assert it as fact, you have no basis to talk on behalf of others and its not fact.

Muddybooties · 29/11/2023 15:23

@housethatbuiltme

I have recounted my own experiences, which I understand to be factual relative to our school and commonplace in other schools where friends kids go.

Other schools may differ - as I have stated repeatedly.

I have never thought to doubt what you have said happened for your kids growing up, yet you’ve continually barracked, attacked and chastised me on this forum - to what end?

Muddybooties · 29/11/2023 15:26

@Anonymouse2019 welcome to the world of children’s birthday parties - it’s toxic! At least you have survived the induction!! 😂

Arjay71 · 29/11/2023 16:12

I wouldn’t take it up with the mum, it would almost certainly just create more aggro (and you could become the mum to avoid, not her, when word gets around!) But I definitely wouldn’t invite her little darling to anything again, and if she wants to know why, then that’s when you tell her. Don’t mention gifts or lack of thanks, make it all about the behaviour and her failure to step in to correct it.

Geneve82 · 29/11/2023 16:12

@Muddybooties

three posters? goodness it’s not just your writing style that need fine tuning. loads of posters have read your posts and responded with, essentially, WTF are you on about?! which has led you to back track. again and again

EMUKE · 29/11/2023 16:38

I completely get this and would feel rage too! BUT let it go. We learn just as our children do. Unfortunately not every child is brought up in the “correct” manor, if the child acts like this and the mother did nothing I assume it’s the same at home. The mother is prob just as rude as to not being a card (even when stated it can be made) says ALOT. Needless to say my child would not be mixing with the said child anyway so lesson learnt. As they grow you will see for yourself that they are drawn to their own kind. So for yourself don’t do anything and just laugh on this in a few birthday times.

FeeBee73 · 29/11/2023 17:47

All the other nursery parents who attended would have noticed the behaviour. You won't need to say a thing. If they haven't had birthdays as yet then I imagine the offending child will not get many invites.

Notimeforidiots69 · 29/11/2023 17:47

I'd bloody bill her!!! How rude is that?! I'd be absolutely fuming and I'd make sure that entire family weren't invited to any future events! I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it sounds like they were all out for a freebie and that F is used to being a spoiled brat and getting his own way! I'm sorry this happened to you and your daughter... Kids parties are fraught at the best of times, plus they're not cheap either... I honestly can't believe how rude some people can be! ❤

Coloursingreydays · 29/11/2023 17:51

Commonhousewitch · 27/11/2023 04:44

The 8 year old eating - thats bad (no idea why you invited siblings- much easier not to invite any)
the rest of it- seems normal - to call a three year old a bully is horrible -there are always some brattish children (and generally some annoying parents) but you get over it, Did you welcome the parents? thats normally when they say happy birthday (i don't really remember speaking to the child themselves...)
For someone who didn't want presents you seem to have kept a close eye on what was bought and to be running a scorecard

the bully was 8. not 3. and there are lots lots of bullies at that age.

Coloursingreydays · 29/11/2023 17:57

Honestly, as having full experience on Bday parties, mine is 9 now, and I have spent lots of money and did amazing into details stuff. WE WERE HAPPY to do it and i ve only one child so yes I celebrate big all her bdays. DO NOT I repeat, invite the whole class, The nasty kids & their siblings will always ruin it at some point, do not invite siblings again, unless its an emergency. Pick the one your kids really really likes, you will find out when they are 6 aprox, and they ones you know the parents. Never ever invite her or her kids again, and I will defo stop saying hi so she gets the hint. but, honestly learn to LET GO. that stupid kid is not worth your time or thoughts. You learn ! Do not go to one of her parties either, RSVP and then very last min dont go or say anything. Karma!

Sennelier1 · 29/11/2023 18:13

Don't let this spoil your happy feelings at your daughter's fourth birthday 🤩 Remember you are a good mom ánd a good host - everybody got out alive, right? I remember a party where siblings were not invited ánd parents did just drop-of and pick-up (children age 6 to 7). One mother brought her daughter ánd the young brother, then the mom disappeared to do some shopping. The little boy was very upset and screamed his head off. I (bringing my daughter in) tried to calm him down. The host (mother of the birthday-girl) begged me to stay and take care of the not-invited toddler. I can assure you, it was nót the party she planned for.

Blanc4 · 29/11/2023 18:27

to start don’t invite siblings in future !
dont mention not buying a gift , leave it up to the parent to buy what they want if they choose to

you will always get free loaders
you’ve learnt your lesson the hard way