And Suella has been sacked

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not before time - wonder who will get the poison chalice.

if William Hague is still in the commons, but o don’t think he is, Rishi would be wise to draw in his experience and counsel.

With the papers also 'leaking' that the only tax cuts under consideration are inheritence and stamp duty, seems like we're having a real retro Tory moment in which they bring Cameron back and then give tax cuts to the people that least need them.

Nice.

I have been impressed with Theresa May since she has returned to the benches. I think she is too outspoken now

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Thisbastardcomputer · Today 09:23

Suella has bigger balls than any of the rest of them, I might not agree with her policy but balls that woman has in spades.

She talks balls, to be sure; such an intemperate gobshite hasn't been seen since Alexander de Pfeffel buggered off.

Two things for me.

Cleverley is a solid choice for Home Sec. I have more time for him than many. He's a former leaver, but he is more moderate than many others in the party. There are worse choices. Cleverley doesn't have a reputation for foot in mouth gaffs. He will tow party line and won't go rogue (like Braverman did).

Cameron going to Foreign Secretary makes me think a few things - one we have a lot of bridges to rebuild with the EU and honestly a former MP who had a good relationship and was pro-EU isn't a bad call for that. A lot of the foreign secs / brexit secs since Brexit have been a complete disaster for relations (hello Johnson). This is especially if the US election is looking on a knife edge. Trump would be a disaster and we will NEED closer ties with the EU for security reasons. Security reasons is a BIG theme in this reshuffle too given the nature of Braverman's sacking. Cameron is careful and considered with his wording and is a diplomat.

But there's other stuff with that. Rishi NEEDS the moderate Tory vote to return for a looming election. You've now got Hunt, Cameron and Cleverley in the biggest posts. The last of the right wingnuts has gone. No more redmeat. The economy is the other big factor - and the biggest problem with that is over the custom union (not the single market). Popular opinion is leaning towards that at this point. The EU has put in border restrictions but 7 years after Brexit we are STILL under an extension of waving those checks because the government has decided they are prohibitive - this means we've maintained a certain amount of flexibility for imports whilst fucking over our exports.

I don't know if Sunak will have the balls to go through with it, but by god thats an interesting move. He seems to have tried other options and they've crashed and burned, so this may well be a last ditch throw of the dice in desparation but yeah... its got my interest in terms of 'what the fuck is he up to?'

And welfare cuts.

Can't be a target seat in an election. Can't quit and trigger an embarassing by-election if it all goes tits up. Man with nothing to lose personally cos he's already fucked up shit. Might actually do shit for the good of his party and country rather than personal ambition (unlike the rest of the Tory party vultures).

She gets my vote too 😁.
The Conservatives are finished unless Sunak grows a pair and I don't see that happening any time soon 😕

Cameron literally broke the country.
The resentment due to 5 years of austerity was what primed many to vote for Brexit - without austerity and Cameron's lacklustre remain campaign there would have been no majority for Brexit.
Brexit and austerity then left the UK and NHS completely unprepared for COVID. Thousands of lives were lost unnecessarily as a result.
Cameron walking away from the mess he created also ultimately left us with Johnson then Truss.
Brexit and the disunity in Europe that it caused also emboldened Putin to attack Ukraine.

Making Cameron foreign secretary is like putting an arsonist in charge of a fire station.

@LlynTegid Yes. Plus people's politics change with age. They move to the right. New Labour got in because they, in public, moved towards the right. Labour won't benefit from the New Labour effect this time.

And they brought back Call Me Dave ?
What the actual fuck are they playing at ?

If by "international statesman" you mean he fucked up the biggest foreign policy issue since 1945 - Brexit - then I agree with you.

Remember the line that follows your name:

"It's been a while since I've seen such stark despair."

Glad she's gone. If she somehow didn't know that her total fabrication about a threat to the Cenotaph would send in the fascist thug clowns then she wasn't fit to be home secretary, and if she did know then she wasn't fit to be home secretary.

i am the typical middle of the road voter. Braverman has left me feeling deeply uncomfortable. I feel she is focused on stirring up division and hatred. Tents in winter as a lifestyle choice FFS. The march at the weekend would have gone off without significant incident had she not stoked up the EDL. If this is what the future of the Conservative party looks like I fear a long time in the wilderness.

CAMERON??? It's like you think you've managed to flush a massive turd away at last and it sneaks back round the u-bend.

Fuckssakes.

I wonder what Sunak 'growing a pair' would look like, separately from sacking someone who was clearly desperate to be sacked.

I'm hoping she will do a Johnson and start getting addicted to big speaking fees from weirdo organisations that don't require her to actually, you know, do some government or administration. The Home Office as a department is in such a mess and that's on her.

Not sure why people are so dismissive of Cameron because he called for the Brexit referendum. He was clear he didn’t want Brexit, the EU had just refused to make allowances for him that would keep the British on side, so surely in the name off democracy it was a fair enough policy.

I wonder how many letters of no confidence the ERG members will send in this week.

Sunak seems to have declared war on the far right of the party
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Tony Blair had Baron Falconer as Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for justice and he wasn’t elected!

@AzureBlue99 - I don't think the getting more right wing as you age is as much of a thing anymore. It applied when most ordinary people could accrue capital, could be confident of a better future and that their kids would have as good or better a lifestyle than them. It that case people would reason that they had to suppose they had done OK, the future looked good and they might as well vote tory to protect their assets and give stability for their kids.

My husband and I should have been 'got' by now - my mum was always saying we'd get more right wing as we aged, but the opposite has happened. We have done OK despite the Tories and because we come from reasonable money ourselves, but the climate is screwed, I don't know how our kids will be able to live in London at all or buy a home ever despite our resources and can see how awful it is for most people to even get by. And I'm sure we're not alone.

There is no ' silent majority'

Did you see her army of thugs that she whipped up fighting with the police?

She is a nasty divisive, racist hate filled piece of work, and anyone that considers voting for her in the future is the same.

Telling it like it is? not in my name, and not for anyone with any common decency.

Really?

He ran the referendum because he was cocky and thought he would win. He did it purely to keep his own job and not for the good of the country. He then scarpered all went wrong.

The allowances, as you call them, that he was after were never going to happen. He called a referrendum that he didn't need to call, he failed to fix it so remain won (i.e. by making expats eligible to vote, seting a minimum age of 16 and requiring a 2/3rds majority) and to top it all off he fought probably the worst political campaign in living memory which virtually gave victory to the leave side.

If that was a "fair enough policy" then I am the Queen of Sheba.

Man's a turd and frankly I'd sooner see Corbyn in office than Cameron back.

I do think she was genuine for the rest of the sharks. I liked her and wished she'd had more support.

People who hate Cameron never like him and never voted for him. There is a section of the population who DID like him though. These voters have been very disillusioned with the Tory Party since May's October Speech when she decided to go full on UKIP. Cameron was LIKED by a lot of voters for austerity. He won an election with it. Pro-Eu voters might have felt he screwed up, but if the alternative is the likes of Braverman, they won't be unhappy either. He comes up looking like the least worst option especially after 7 years of leadership of May, Johnson and whats the other one's name again? (sic).

For all the scoffing about Cameron, I think this is forgotten.

I'd be interested to know just how many of the people saying they can't stand him, ever voted for him. I bet most didn't so I wouldn't expect them to suddenly change their minds on that.

The opinions which are interesting aren't coming from these people. The opinions that are worth listening to most at this point are ONLY Tory voters since 2010, because thats what Sunak is chasing here. He's not chasing die hard Labourites. He chasing that soft LD/Con vote. These are a lot of his key constitencies EVEN IF HE LOSES THE GENERAL ELECTION. The Tory party are in survival mode - they face total wipe out on recent polling. If he's working in party interests then he needs to hold on to as many seats as possible even if he loses, for a decent stint in opposition. Cameron will definitely get that. Cleverley is a former Party Chairman (if memory serves me correctly).

This could well be a damage limitation exercise as much as anything else.