And Suella has been sacked

[WellWellSaidTheRockingChair]

not before time - wonder who will get the poison chalice.

if William Hague is still in the commons, but o don’t think he is, Rishi would be wise to draw in his experience and counsel.

As I said earlier I voted remain. In my view remain voters cast for complexity over why Leave won when the reasons are simple. And the campaign was very effective in delivering them.

Looking at @Clavinova links to all the mentions of exiting the SM that’s clear too.

It’s the main thing you get with a yes vote. No one is even proposing it now, even if claims on high levels of regret are correct.

Rarely agree with you but it was very clear, regardless of what some remainers thought, that the UK would leave CU and SM, there was some talk of an EFTA deal, quickly scotched.

The Tories chose to leave pretty much every EU structure, probably because of May costing them their majority after 2017 and the Tory lurch to the right.

Wintersgirl · Yesterday 10:34

MyCircumference · Yesterday 10:10
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that cat must love his moment of glory
I think Larry would be an excellent Home Secretary!”

Is it the same Larry? He must be knocking on a bit. So, the only constant in No 10 is a cat. Does he do Zoom meetings 😁

@Alexandra2001 @Dymaxion

Sorry I meant minority of people are net contributors to HM Treasury rather than pay
income tax. My error, thanks for pointing out.

People wanted to stop immigration as it depressed wages and because poorer people couldn't get skills and training in certain sectors and therefore they were competing with middle class and better educated EU citz which they couldn't.

NO, a lot of people (in particular women) wanted (and still want) to limit immigration because of the culture change it brings to the values and freedoms we hold dear

https://newsthump.com/2023/11/13/suella-braverman-spotted-buying-a-ten

NO, a lot of people (in particular women) wanted (and still want) to limit immigration because of the culture change it brings to the values and freedoms we hold dear

But that isn't happening under the Conservatives is it ? the number of small boat crossings has risen exponentially under them.

And remember most people are here to either work or study.

https://www.gulbenkian.co.uk/uk-visa-and-immigration-statistics/

I dont agree with that, and frankly I'm sick of the Conservatives bouncing onto our screens weekly and telling us all what we "the silent majority" want, and how they alone represent it. Just shut up. You know nothing about us.

@marmaladeandpeanutbutter

When you look at life in countries ruled by much stricter religious requirements, do you seriously think that the silent majority in this country would be OK with that happening here?

It's no good to say that would never happen here, because in all the countries described above (there are no exceptions) , you have to do and wear what you're told. If we continue to allow immigration at the level it is now, a lot of people are concerned at the direction it's going in. Our rights and freedoms, particularly for women are hard won and have to be protected.

"Silent majority" is only ever use as a mechanism to shut down debate and scrutiny.

I think debate has already been shut down in as opposing views are often villified and anyone daring to put them is character assassinated, which is a shame as it has allowed many opposing views to go underground and grow instead of being debated with all points of view being discussed. Hence the Brexit vote and other 'surprises!

If we continue to allow immigration at the level it is now, a lot of people are concerned at the direction it's going in. Our rights and freedoms, particularly for women are hard won and have to be protected.

I think you need to be more specific, immigration covers lots of different people/nationalities/cultures coming here to either study or work legally.

Our rights and freedoms, particularly for women are hard won and have to be protected.

So the best thing to do is to remove them then ?

That's the whole problem and concern, people daren't be specific. However most people know exactly which direction subjugation of women and other cultural practices which don't align with our own is coming from.

Trying to suggest that immigration would endanger women's rights is just a dog whistle and an irrational attempt at scaremongering. Sadly, the type of person who wants immigration to be severely restricted also tends to be the type of person who has zero interest in women's rights.

@Passepartoute

enforced marriages, genital mutilation, honour killings, having to cover themselves up and much more anyone??

You seriously think that we are suddenly going to be overwhelmed with so many people from this mysterious "direction" that they will manage to vote enough people into government to get laws passed subjugating women, and will simultaneously manage to take over the civil service, justice and policing systems to make any such laws enforceable against 50% of the population?

Just as well we've got a Human Rights Act, isn't it?

@Passepartoute

But they don't need go change the laws do they? I believe a certain religion places what that religion decrees comes above the law of the land. Correct me if I'm wrong

it's like opening your house to needy people. It's good and the right thing to do. Then a few more come along and you're still OK with that because they're needy. Then suddenly the house is very full of others that have invited themselves and they want to changed the way things are done so it's more the way they want it to be. You suddenly realise that you should have forseen this and been more careful a long time ago.

Oh rubbish @Passepartoute . You are gaslighting with the women and children line. As a woman, I disagree, as do many. Speak for yourself. Straight out of the Suella playbook. I have nothing further to say to you. You don't want a serious discussion, just to use Trump like soundbites.

Didn't the mother whose child scuffed the Koran need to appear with her head covered, so she could be suitably berated by a Muslim cleric? A British woman, in her own country. Anyone who submits to that is a fool. Anyone who supports it is a bigger one.

Didn't the mother whose child scuffed the Koran need to appear with her head covered, so she could be suitably berated by a Muslim cleric?

No.

There have been a couple of threads, initially mnhq would just delete but one saying can there at least be a discussion was allowed to stand

The biggest drag on womens rights these past 13 years has been our own government. As it pursues policies which are intended to affect women and the children they care for in nothing but negative terms. A fact which has fuck all to do with immigration, except inasmuch these policies are eagerly pushed by the descendants of immigrants.

Dymaxion · Today 07:47

If we continue to allow immigration at the level it is now, a lot of people are concerned at the direction it's going in. Our rights and freedoms, particularly for women are hard won and have to be protected.”

The UK would be in big trouble if immigration stopped tomorrow. We’re a demographic time bomb.