Why won’t Egypt help the Gazans?

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It seems the most if not the only logical solution, to set up refugee shelters in the Sinai peninsula?

Instead of focusing on Egypt which has many problems in its economy and curbing Islamist and history with Egypt and Palestinians, I want to know why some countries, namely Iran and Qatar support Hamas.
Imagine of they spent their money to empower Palestinians in the right way; education and nurturing Democratic voices that would become leadership.
Fat chance! Iran, such a wealthy country and with such a beautiful ancient history is run by a bunch of Islamic Fascists. Qatar morally corrupt.
The Muslim/ Arab world has failed Gaza more than Israel and the West.
Netanhayu is deranged but this far right monster has been enabled into power due to Islamists.
The whole thing is fucked.
I feel humanity is dead 💔

The Brits voted in the Tories. Doesn't mean all Brits support them.

When Hamas formed in 1987, they had minimal support from Palestinians. But in 2021, support for Hamas dramatically increased as AP News reported:

apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87

In 2022, respected Palestinian pollster Khalil Shikaki and his Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) carried out a survey looking at Palestinian support for armed groups. Main takeaways below:

• 72% of Palestinians support forming more armed groups in West Bank

• in Gaza, 84% of respondents supported concept of armed groups taking NO orders from the Palestinian Authority. This is HIGHER than in the West Bank where 65% supported the idea.

www.pcpsr.org/en/node/924

And:

"....there is widespread popular appeal for competing armed Palestinian factions, including those involved in the attack. Overall, 57% of Gazans express at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas—along with similar percentages of Palestinians in the West Bank (52%) and East Jerusalem (64%)—though this is fewer than those who support Fatah (64%).

But it is organizations like Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and Lion’s Den that receive the most widespread popular support in Gaza. About three quarters of Gazans express support for both groups, including 40% who see the Lion’s Den in a “very positive” light, an attitude shared by a similar percentage of West Bank residents."

www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah#:~:text=Overall%2C%2057%25%20of%20Gazans%20express,who%20support%20Fatah%20(64%25).

So, the support for Hamas, Lion's Den and other Palestinian armed groups is there from the Palestinian population. A minority do not support them.

Important to note that Abbas' Fatah party also has an armed wing - Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. So, there is a LOT of Palestinian support for terrorist groups overall.

So, not all Palestinians support Hamas. But it is NOT wrong to say that a majority of Palestinians support terrorist groups.

Please re-read my post. Where did I mention race?
I simply said there is a huge housing shortage in my area, where will all these people live? Are you offering to have them in your house?;

@Mademetoxic the same as the people in your area who are struggling to find houses.....somewhere cheaper. We also need to look at building HMO/student halls type accommodation for those that can't afford the cost of the 2 up 2 down but that's not limited to accepting refugees

You can't get anywhere cheaper than my northern dive of a town.

I never mentioned race. You need some basic reading comprehension if you thought I was on about race.

We also need to look at building HMO/student halls type accommodation for those that can't afford the cost of the 2 up 2 down but that's not limited to accepting refugees

Yes that will happen just like all the houses we are going to have built -- soon.

@Mademetoxic where are you? We are very very northern and don't see a housing crisis property is affordable and available. Could pick up a terrace for less than 50k.

Once the Palestinian people leave Gaza it will be razed to the ground, the land likely absorbed into Israel, and they’ll never be able to go back.

Egypt also already hosts a massive refugee population of over 55 nationalities, some going back decades, plus hundreds of thousands of Sudanese refugees who fled the war there this summer and Egypt welcomed over the border.

If the Palestinians leave Gaza now the will be refugees forever, generations to come, stateless. Where will the Palestinian people call home? But if they stay they may be killed.

It’s just horrendous. The two State solution - an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel - remains the only humane one, and the only solution that can ever bring peace in the Middle East.

Why don't you ask the people of Jordan what happens when you let the Palestinians in, they caused a civil war there in 1990.

Qatar with all their cheap labour won't have them in, Egypt know the hassle and the previous support for terrorist groups within Egypt.

All the middle east countries use Israel as a useful enemy so the population won't focus on their own dictatorships.

This is a group notorious for involvement in terrorism and general trouble making. Of course there will be many Palestinian individuals who support neither of these things, but I do totally get why other countries are looking at them and saying, nope, not interested, we don't want trouble within our own borders.

Egypt is in a mess at the moment anyway; serious financial and economic issues.

No doubt refugees will make their way over there anyway, but I can't really blame the Egyptians for not flinging their arms wide open!

By the way: Egypt is believed to be on the point of consolidating an evacuation deal with the United States....but only for people who are not Palestinians. Under this deal, foreign nationals who are not Palestinian will be allowed from Gaza into Egypt through border checkpoints. Palestinians, however, will have to stay in Gaza.

So, yes. That pretty much tells you how much the Egyptians like the Palestinians.

Many Middle Eastern and North African countries are fond of expressing support for the Palestinian cause, but this has nothing to do with liking or wanting to help the Palestinian people, who are viewed by their neighbors as being mostly a pain in the arse. Middle Eastern and African countries like to say they support the Palestinian cause because inweighing against America, Israelis or both is popular among a lot of their populations, and is a way to distract attention away from the shitty governance in most of these countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September This is the kind of thing that explains why the Arab countries are refusing to let Palestinians in. Every time it's been tried in the past, it's ended in tears.

I'm not going to disclose my location but trust me, my area there is a housing shortage.

So countries that are actually in the Middle East, with populations that are by far the biggest victims of Islamist terrorism, don't want to take in Palestinians (why? Could it be because they know more about the situation than someone handwringing in Crouch End?) but we should airlift 2 million Palestinians, the majority of whom support Islamist organisations, into Bolton or somewhere? I wonder how many Hamas terrorists would happily wave off Palestinian civilians while they stayed behind fighting for a Palestinian homeland? None. They would kill Palestinian women and children to get them and their own families on the airlift, if they aren't already safely living in Qatar.

Amusing to see the link I'd shared on Hamas support on another thread has been used above. Just goes to show :) It was posted with the intention of alerting people to be wary of research/polls conducted in those regions.

Here's a good piece on the agency, who are generally well respected. https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/a-palestinian-research-center-comes-under-threat-in-a-government-crackdown

While their are valid questions about their sampling methods (and ability to sample) I've always enjoyed reading them.

The last report really reflects what seems to be happening there:
https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/928
Each side perceives itself as an exclusive victim (84% of Palestinians and 84% of Israeli Jews), while an overwhelming majority of Palestinians (90%) but only a smaller majority of Israeli Jews (63%) think this suffering grants them with a moral right to do anything they deem as necessary for survival.

I am half Iranian BTW trust me when I say these countries in the middle east DO NOT represent their people.

Sick and tired of excuses for funding Islamists and drowning out women's, peace activists and democratic voices.

There are Jews in Iran and last time I visited Tehran last year I met communities there that have been there for thousands of years. Cyrus the ancient Persian King saved the Jews from the Babylonians. This Islamic / Arabized narrative drowns out so many voices erases so much history between people's in this region. Who the tf gives this disgusting alien 44 year old regime occupying Iran who rape and kill and torture protesters in the name of Islam and the right to say Israel should wiped off the map. This does not align with beautiful Iranian pre Islamic culture which dominates to this day and which Iranians are PROUD of

We ( the middle East ) are better than that, than to support Hamas, Isis, Hezbollah

I hope Hamas are annihilated along with every other Islamic militant group. They cause so much evil in the name of religion. I'm secular but I have respect for Muslims and they should not be represented by these savages.

It's pathetic seeing people make excuses for these scumbags while living with the freedoms we have in the West. They do not help Palestinians.

Back to Egypt, they do NOT want to harbour Hamas. They are not stupid.

Yes I feel so upset and horrified for the children and all the innocent civilians!

Whoever says Gazans support Hamas - no they are forced to support them.

Im no fan of Netanyahu, he's disgusting too. Israelis could do much better too but the terrorism Israel receives helps Netanhayu.

Are you aware how many Palestinian people already live in refugee camps. There are over 2 million in Jordan, and a similar number spread across other countries in the region.

In Jordan we drove past one. It's horrific. Half a million people living in essentially a shanty town. Many of those people have been there for 20 or more years and have no hope of ever going anywhere else.

If someone told you and your family to travel to France to live in a refugee camp in Calais and then bombed your homes behind you and killed all the people left behind because they wanted to be sure and kill all brexiteers. Would you leave knowing you most probably would never get out of the camp in Calais and your children and possibly grandchildren would live and die there? These Palestinians live in Gaza. It’s their home.

Genuinely Terrorism and militancy has not helped Palestinians whatsoever in returning to homelands nor by achieving any human rights or dignity.
Hamas has been a godsend for Netanhayu.
Egypt knows this and any country in the MENA who has negotiated ans recognised Israel knows this.

because they wanted to be sure and kill all brexiteers

I've heard it all now. Brexiteers, however misguided, are not an internationally known terrorist organisation.

Ok @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat insert any other distinct group that have chosen their characteristic. The idea was to consider for yourself what your choice would be if put in the same situation by virtue of where you were born. If you are unable to do that can I suggest that you are possibly not best placed to suggest what others should do in any situation you haven’t experienced but particularly in one as dangerous and alien to you as this.

HAMAS have chosen their characteristics.

Why would you equate terrorism with a "chosen characteristic" and what is a "chosen characteristic" anyway? It's not race, it's not nationality, it's not sex or sexual orientation. What is it?

And why on Earth would you suggest killing all brexiteers? What nonsense is this, even in jest?

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat honestly I don’t think you’re best placed for this conversation. The members of Hamas are part of the Palestinian population. The chose (chosen characteristic) their allegiance so equating it to someone with a chosen political objective like being “pro-brexit“ is a better analogy than say “red heads”. I’m sorry if you are struggling with this. The point is would you put your stuff on your back grab your children, parents and grandparents and run through a war zone to a tent in Calais? You’ve got 24 hours to decide how your family lives.