France has outlawed pro-palestinian demonstrations

[NotSuchASmugMarried]

It's worried about the rise of anti-semitism. Do you think the same thing will happen here?

@FairylightsandHygge has had a fake news post deleted last night after I reported it to Mumsnet, @Alexandra2001 .

Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya ("Islamic Resistance Movement") aka HAMAS was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.

Yassin established Hamas as the Brotherhood's political arm in Gaza in Dec. 1987, following the outbreak of the first intifada (Palestinian uprising).

See HAMAS chain of command structure attached.

There's a reason that it's the very same useful idiots as the ones who would have supported the USSR in years gone by. Following the 1967 war, the USSR decided that Israel (which it had previously been very supportive of) was getting too close to the west. So the Soviets started distributing anti-semitic propaganda in many languages. The likes of Jeremy Corbyn (and others on the far left) lapped up the Soviet propaganda.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_anti-Zionism

I think they get most of their info from places like Tik-tok unfortunately.

Reference a lot of previous comments, a fairly recent buzz word in some circles is "cognitive warfare" and it certainly looks like one party to the current conflict has so far at least been more successful at engaging in it than the other.

Jihadis flock to Palestine? This is a ludicrous statement and incorrect. No one can enter Palestine without the agreement of the Israeli government.

It is settlers who enter Israel with the extreme prejudice against the indegenous Palestinian people.

Oh dear, previous threads were deleted when support for Palestinian people and rightful condemnation of the killing and destruction in Gaza were met with bogus claims of anti semitism.

You can criticize Israel without being antisemitic - it really is possible. I wish people would recognizer this without falsely being religion into it.

This conflict is over illegal annexation of land and Apartheid. Yet religion is constantly used to deflect from the facts.

This thread may go the same way as so many people who are against the bombardment of Gaza and the general treatment of the Palestinian population are being personally attacked and referred to as "useful idiots". So patronising.

I feel sorry for all the Jewish people being attacked, as well as the Muslim people. A six year old Muslim has been stabbed to death in the US - let us not forget that.

I think Israel does Jewish people no favours.

Many Jewish people are speaking out against Israel and saying "not in our name" and rightly so.

Sounds about right; I'm told the clips on there are deliberately kept very short, which is probably all their jaded attention spans can cope with

Tiktok is Twitter for the illiterate.

Fairylights: 'You can criticize Israel without being antisemitic.'

That sounds awfully like justification for an act of terrorism from a terrorist group dedicated to the eradication of the Jewish people.

It is part of the Israel deserved it/ look at the context/ it's complicated/ they asked for it BS on MN. You are talking about religious fundamentalists who believe that they have a duty to slaughter Jews.

Have you even acquainted yourself with the savagery and barbarity of the Hamas attack?

Or are you just one of those bourgeois, Western liberals, dropped in your Che Guevara kit with your Palestinian flag, who "can't see evil in the world without detecting .. a jewish conspiracy as the root cause"?

People are certainly waking up to the truth of the anti-semitism in our society.

Meanwhile, back to France and the video of Franco-Israelian hostage.

(Google translate does a decent job on the text).

https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/le-hamas-diffuse-la-video-d-une-des-prisonnieres-a-gaza-une-franco-israelienne-de-21-ans-20231017

Look you are mistaken here.

Nobody here is condoning Hamas from what I've read. Everybody is speaking up for Palestinians.
We have the right to speak up for innocent Palestinians being killed in thousands in a matter of few days.

We have the right to speak up for 1000 babies killed in the last week.
Please stop trying to silence us in the name of anti semitism.

If only they were waking up. There's still a considerable amount of denial

Only in daily mail have I seen what happened on the demos. I’m not British so I read more than one newspaper around the world anD can see what happened on the demos. Just because few people are pro Hamas on them doesn’t mean the demos are pro Hamas

Here one of your TIk tok links as per your comments agreeing with what I’m saying . Now tell me where should I read the news ?

Do the Palestinian people deserve what is happening to them because of what Hamas have done?

Are the pro Israel people happy with the bombing of Gaza and the deliberate denial of humanitarian aid?

I see quite clearly what is happening.

You haven't seen some of the posts I've seen then. Even before the IDF started hitting back there were posts implying that the pogrom was a reasonable response.

Are the UN being anti Semitic in their condemnation of Israel?

@flufferknutter

So what is your solution? Hamas as armed to the teeth. They are holding 199 people hostage in Gaza and refusing to release them. They want a war.

And what several people on here have suggested is that Israel is wrong to try to get their people back and wrong to try to disarm the violent terrorists that killed more than a thousand people. They wiped out while families. The stories are inhuman. That poor couple who had to hide their babies know that Hamas would execute them and praying that their own deaths would not be in vain. That disabled girl whose caters were murdered in front of her and is now a hostage in Gaza. Hundreds of stories that appear not to matter to people who cry ‘Free Palestine’.

If Gaza needs freeing from anyone then it is their own government. They murder, they bomb, they rape and maim their own people and everyone around them.

They have left Israel with very little alternative but to go in and take their weapons from them.

You might also want to considered that the numbers given for Palestinians killed as part of the on going fighting is not all, or even mostly, innocent civilians. It will include all the jihadis and Hamas supporters who have been setting up weapons stores and bases inside apartment buildings and hospitals. They are using the civilians as human shields.

Well I'm talking about now. Every human should speak up for the innocent civilians being butchered. Palestinians DO NOT HAVE A SAFE PLACE.
They don't have a choice right now they are waiting and counting down the hours until they get bombed.

The evacuated Palestinians who followed Israel's instructions and travelled leaving their homes were bombed last night in their sleep.

Every single human with a heart to condemn Israel right now.

@Caketothemilk

The IDF have produced evidence that the attack on the convoy was a Hamas attempt to smear Israel. It was a false flag attack. They don’t care about their own people.

I'm afraid you are full of propaganda. I said this last night that you wouldn't go bombing the whole of America to punish it's mass shooters would you?

21 hospitals are asked to evacuate in Gaza right now Doctors are refusing to leave because it is in humane.

The water supple in Gaza has been filled with cement by Israelis and west bank is still getting attacked by the settlers.

1000 babies have been butchered in gaza and I have seen videos of Israelis chanting happy songs about it.

I can go on.

I repeat, every single human need to condemn Israel and make it stop the violance and apartheid.

Yes that's exactly how genocide in the past was supported. Ofcourse idf said that :)