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You will own nothing, seriously?

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theides · 03/10/2023 06:59

Exciting brave new future, isn't it!

lizwatt.com/articles/what-is-the-great-reset/

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TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 03/10/2023 07:03

No.
Because while originally (however many decades ago it was) the thinking behind "the Great Reset" has some basis in reality, it's been taken over by loons and conspiracy theories with very thin grasps on reality.

As the blogger who wrote that crap aptly demonstrates a year ago when she wrote it.

ShagratandGorbag4ever · 03/10/2023 07:23

Anything written by a middle-aged woman who describes herself as 'a girl' can safely be ignored.

ReturnOfTheRainMac · 03/10/2023 07:26

This has been spoken about for a long time and some of the younger generations are there.

They don't and won't own their house, their cars are leased and to be handed back at the end, even phones and tvs are rented. Everything is rented or subscription based.

theides · 03/10/2023 07:27

ShagratandGorbag4ever · 03/10/2023 07:23

Anything written by a middle-aged woman who describes herself as 'a girl' can safely be ignored.

The Golden girls don't think so..😇

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PoseasRadicalActuallyMisogynistic · 03/10/2023 07:30

ShagratandGorbag4ever · 03/10/2023 07:23

Anything written by a middle-aged woman who describes herself as 'a girl' can safely be ignored.

There might be plenty wrong with the theory, but to dismiss it in those terms is misogynistic and ageist.

Palmasailor · 03/10/2023 07:31

The WEF exists, is funded, has an agenda and has done for years.

and nobody voted for them.

What do you think they’re doing and why?

PoseasRadicalActuallyMisogynistic · 03/10/2023 07:36

Do we actually own anything anyway, we buy and sell our possessions on the internet, houses are bought and sold. Ownership of many things is transient.
You could look at the ownership if a lot of property as akin to renting. (Although sometimes the object pays us).

pickledandpuzzled · 03/10/2023 07:38

I can’t be arsed with the political stuff- not my strength. I’ll let someone else worry about that.
The great reset though, there’s value there. We spend a lot of time worrying about our stuff, storing it, moving it.

My kids have much less stuff, and no truck with acquiring more.

We see clothes, music, cars, houses, all sorts by subscription now. Rentals fully furnished.

Some cities have mass standardised meal deliveries, so you only cook if you want to.

DivingForLove · 03/10/2023 07:42

Having things hasn’t made us happy 😄

The conspiracy theorists I know don’t seem to be doing much to bring down this terrifying agenda, except for supporting Brand and Tate. I’ll give that a hard pass.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 03/10/2023 07:48

A quick Google shows that this statement was taken from something one of the WEF speakers said in 2016 and the loons have run with it.

The speaker herself has said that what she said was taken out of context and the text has been removed from WEF bumpf.

TL:DR more conspiracy bollocks.

The WEF themselves acknowledge that their original ideas have been hijacked by the loons.

@theides people who try and get their message across in self-published blogs whining that the MSM don't want to know, tend not to acknowledge that it's not that the MSM doesn't want to know, it's that they're talking bollocks.

lliij8 · 03/10/2023 07:52

Can't be arsed to get into the detail of the article but do want to discuss 'subscriptions'.

I do think it's a problem that we'll no longer 'own' our books, music, tv series etc. It sounds so convenient to just stream everything, but it also means that your access to them can be shut off, just like that. Eg do you like Father Ted? Well, I could see a world where you're not allowed to watch that any more, because Glinner is 'hateful'. Down the memory hole with it. You lose all control.

Another example: you might be concerned about the 'rewriting of history' when it comes to certain events. I own a range of history books, written in different decades, by authors of different viewpoints. But if I were to rely only on streaming services for my history content, well, I might well find that the California tech bros who decide what content is available to me don't like certain views on history.

Actually, back to the WEF – they are a bunch of weirdo creeps. Klaus Schwab is a billionaire oddball with some extremely strange ideas. I do suspect they deliberately amp up their weird ideas on social media for publicity. I think it's worth understanding what they're pushing, but not getting too het up about it.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 03/10/2023 07:52

Liz is also a woman of many talents (and I'd venture master of none)

If I were looking to educate myself on world political theory I'd probably not choose an architect who "resells", (=dabbles on Vinted?) makes herbal tea, aligns your soul and self- published books about harnessing the ego and the soul.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 03/10/2023 07:56

lliij8 · 03/10/2023 07:52

Can't be arsed to get into the detail of the article but do want to discuss 'subscriptions'.

I do think it's a problem that we'll no longer 'own' our books, music, tv series etc. It sounds so convenient to just stream everything, but it also means that your access to them can be shut off, just like that. Eg do you like Father Ted? Well, I could see a world where you're not allowed to watch that any more, because Glinner is 'hateful'. Down the memory hole with it. You lose all control.

Another example: you might be concerned about the 'rewriting of history' when it comes to certain events. I own a range of history books, written in different decades, by authors of different viewpoints. But if I were to rely only on streaming services for my history content, well, I might well find that the California tech bros who decide what content is available to me don't like certain views on history.

Actually, back to the WEF – they are a bunch of weirdo creeps. Klaus Schwab is a billionaire oddball with some extremely strange ideas. I do suspect they deliberately amp up their weird ideas on social media for publicity. I think it's worth understanding what they're pushing, but not getting too het up about it.

I'd agree with that.
I was only looking at my bookshelves and my Kindle yesterday and thinking while my books want a good dust and the Kindle is very practical, it's just not the same. I hadn't thought of it in terms of someone taking away my access though!

lliij8 · 03/10/2023 07:59

Already, I find that lots of great films I'd love to watch aren't available on any streaming platform. I'll have to chase down a DVD – and I didn't even have a DVD player until recently.

That's a lot of culture, art and thought lost, potentially.

Oh, and maybe you think that having everything digital is a good thing, because it can all be preserved forever? Nope! Data degradation is a thing.

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 03/10/2023 08:00

This is why I still buy DVDs and CDs. I do have a Kindle but only for holiday use. I don't want my entertainment choices limited to what someone else decides should be available - mundane copyright/contractual issues or something simply being niche rather than popular are more likely reasons for this to happen than someone being 'cancelled'.

Ylvamoon · 03/10/2023 08:05

Great Reset = introduction of credit.

Genius, really. Tapp into peoples future earnings, but rarely let them pay it off in full.

Create the want for shiny new things, before the old ones have been paid off.
Never let people own anything or (god forbid) accumulate any significant wealth.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 03/10/2023 08:05

When I was on Twitter (as it was then) and bored I used to ask the 'you'll own nothing loons' how it worked. Did that mean shampoo? underpants? every time I wanted something I had to run out and rent it? and did they realise that that meant someone (the big bad capitalists) owned it? and how did it work on them getting it back?

It was obvious they'd never actually thought about it at all, it was just a nice shiny mantra that appeaed to them. Usually I got told to (you've guessed it) 'do my own research.'

I've never had a kindle and I don't stream stuff - I have books and DVDs. I can read and watch books and programmes and films that haven't been censored because someone had their feelings hurt by an opinion and thinks I mustn't see that or it's a now unacceptable historical event ; and I have access to that information and entertainment whenever I want it, for free.

HernesEgg · 03/10/2023 08:06

Yes, I’m very conscious that I don’t own any of the books on my Kindle, and that my access could be terminated, the software could stop working, that Amazon reserve the right to edit or remove content etc. That high-profile case of the Norwegian woman whose Kindle account was terminated, blocking her from access to everything on her Kindle, was concerning.

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 03/10/2023 08:07

PoseasRadicalActuallyMisogynistic · 03/10/2023 07:36

Do we actually own anything anyway, we buy and sell our possessions on the internet, houses are bought and sold. Ownership of many things is transient.
You could look at the ownership if a lot of property as akin to renting. (Although sometimes the object pays us).

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You might say that ownership of everything is transient since we will all eventually die leaving the things we own behind. But the difference here is that with physical objects, usually we can choose whether to keep them or not. You might be forced by financial constraints to sell something, but you can choose what and when to sell it.

theides · 03/10/2023 08:09

A true visionary, one who understood the frailties of the human psyche, as for those who ascribe to the transience of never owning always streaming, leasing or renting, you can be cancelled at will, Trudeau is honing it to a fine art.

You will own nothing, seriously?
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OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 03/10/2023 08:10

HernesEgg · 03/10/2023 08:06

Yes, I’m very conscious that I don’t own any of the books on my Kindle, and that my access could be terminated, the software could stop working, that Amazon reserve the right to edit or remove content etc. That high-profile case of the Norwegian woman whose Kindle account was terminated, blocking her from access to everything on her Kindle, was concerning.

A couple of books on my Kindle randomly vanished. One I wasn't bothered about and the other, I had a paper copy anyway - but I would never entrust my whole library to an e-reader.

Nousernamesleftatall · 03/10/2023 08:11

The statement was said in a video produced by the World Economic Forum and published on their platforms. It was taken down after it got backlash so not a conspiracy theory. It’s all tied into UN agenda 2030 which the WEF and UN said at a press conference they plan to accelerate together after Covid. The U.K. government has published what it will entail and ideally they say you will be allowed purchase one item of new clothing a year and never be able to fly. It’s people like you that dismiss this slow walk into totalitarian that will wake up one day and think how did we get here. This plan is decades in the making and many world leaders talk openly about it yet you are denying it because WEF owned fact checkers tell you to.

yellowclover · 03/10/2023 08:16

lliij8 · 03/10/2023 07:52

Can't be arsed to get into the detail of the article but do want to discuss 'subscriptions'.

I do think it's a problem that we'll no longer 'own' our books, music, tv series etc. It sounds so convenient to just stream everything, but it also means that your access to them can be shut off, just like that. Eg do you like Father Ted? Well, I could see a world where you're not allowed to watch that any more, because Glinner is 'hateful'. Down the memory hole with it. You lose all control.

Another example: you might be concerned about the 'rewriting of history' when it comes to certain events. I own a range of history books, written in different decades, by authors of different viewpoints. But if I were to rely only on streaming services for my history content, well, I might well find that the California tech bros who decide what content is available to me don't like certain views on history.

Actually, back to the WEF – they are a bunch of weirdo creeps. Klaus Schwab is a billionaire oddball with some extremely strange ideas. I do suspect they deliberately amp up their weird ideas on social media for publicity. I think it's worth understanding what they're pushing, but not getting too het up about it.

This is a really interesting point and one that I hadn't thought of before . This is a consequence which is easily overlooked, but actually really important

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 03/10/2023 08:16

The U.K. government has published what it will entail and ideally they say you will be allowed purchase one item of new clothing a year and never be able to fly.

That describes my life now 😃

But seriously, I do agree. The 'cashless society' is something we are sleepwalking into - all our purchases trackable and in theory controllable. I use cash as often as I can.

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 08:17

There is a middle way between owning nothing and the sort of possessions hoarding we see often in the post war generation.

The sheer amount of stuff my dad has makes me feel quite ill sometimes. He is astonished that we don't have a lot of things and keeps trying to "give" me stuff like extra chairs or even an old car.