You will own nothing, seriously?

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Exciting brave new future, isn't it!

lizwatt.com/articles/what-is-the-great-reset/

Thank you @MrsDanversChickenSandwich, I’m glad you found the article interesting.

No I'm not making things up, I said I believe this will happen. What does my house having electric sockets have to do with anything? You asserted that people have a choice whether to buy an EV but you've just admitted they won't be able to buy a petrol car after 2035 (which will come round very quickly). So no choice.

I’ve “admitted” nothing of the sort, as there is no suggestion, anywhere, that you won’t be able to buy a petrol car after 2035.

The electric socket point was a response to the bizarre claim that we don’t have the infrastructure to support the predicted increase in electric car ownership. We do.

You seem to peddling wild conspiracy theories here based on nothing.

The electric socket point was a response to the bizarre claim that we don’t have the infrastructure to support the predicted increase in electric car ownership. We do.

Stating the obvious but the socket in your home can only charge a car if you can park your car in reach of it. If you live in an 18th floor flat, or a busy street where you often have to park some way down the road, you are not going to be charging using your home sockets.

After 2035 there will be a ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars. So yes eventually there will no petrol or diesel cars on the road. So yes they are nudging/ forcing you along the way in that direction.

They are already making it harder now, if you have a diesel, lets introduce low emission zones, recent one is pay more for parking if you own a diesel car - that will eventually happen to petrol too compared to an EV car.

Eventually they will make the cost of petrol and diesel so high you have no choice but to change car or pay up if you can afford it.

EV cars were touted to have no vehicle tax, now they are bringing it in because it finally hit them how much money they will lose - the vehicle tax is far more than what I pay for my car.

In theory the idea that we could own nothing isn't a bad one, just think if we all had the option to borrow things we use rarely but need occasionally from a local lending library of things, a lawn mower, a chainsaw, a scanner and so on. Obviously if it is something you use a lot you may buy one but if you could borrow a lot of things it would free up space in your home, less clutter and junk and it would be so much better for the environment, especially if things were able to be repaired and updated as opposed to being junked every time a new version comes out. Owning a home would be as critical if there was good affordable social housing available to all. If everyone had access to good healthcare, quality food and a good standard of living then the stuff you own might not be so important.

All I am saying is there are different ways of interpreting the concept of "you will own nothing and be happy".

There is an interesting book that looks at the various possible futures for a post capitalist world which is worth a read, there are some scary possibilities but also some exciting ones https://www.amazon.com/Four-Futures-After-Capitalism-Jacobin/dp/1781688133?tag=buylocal0e8-20

I think you don’t understand the issue with EVs (personally I am a fan, ours is great) there is simply not the infrastructure. It is a matter of the total grad having sufficient power for the demand and also the charging away from homes.

It is not that it is not possible to get to a point where we will have sufficient infrastructure but based upon current plans we will not get there in time.

It is also very easy to see the loss of petrol stations being fairly easy for governments to engineer. Costs and regulation can make that business unviable, you could end up with a very restricted supply.

The issue is that those who design policy have no idea about the real world.

Can we ever live in a post capitalist world when the rich need their nests feathering to ridiculous degrees and we're the ones expected to provide it?

It is cyclical. In the 1950s and 1960s the rich came to see that they were part of a society and had to accept their responsibilities (though taxes went a bit mad with 98% rates).

The current issue is the elite class see themselves as better and imagine they are being paternalistic (some are actually malevolent but not all) and don’t understand they are not as clever as they have paid people around them to tell them they are.

The grid has sufficient capacity as long as charging is not all started at the same time every night, something which chargers are able to deal with. It’s already the case that companies are stopping offering the “dumb” chargers which start charging as soon as you plug in irrespective of need.

Once we start using those which can also draw energy from the cars to feed back in at times of peak demand the cars can actually be a net benefit to the grid.

The calculations showing grid issues use assumptions about the charging and the needs in several years time that make no sense given how the technology will be used.

Here’s what the National Grid says about it.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero/electric-vehicles-myths-misconceptions

The grid has sufficient capacity..🤫

inspiredenergy.co.uk/uk-blackout-strategy-explained/

Yes, it does, and the article that you linked to doesn’t claim otherwise. It’s the strategy in place in case of events such as grid damage or a disaster with the gas supply.

The dishonesty by you and others on this thread is appalling.

Did you even read it?

”With potential gas shortages this winter, there’s a possibility that the UK’s gas supply won’t be able to meet demand, leaving the grid at risk. Whilst this possibility is slim, the Government have created a three-stage plan in the ESEC that explains the ‘exceptional powers for controlling the sources and availability of energy’.”

Note that this link points out that there is a plan for adding the charging points, I am always sceptical of the grid claiming that there is not going to be a capacity issue as I have seen infrastructure providers tendency to self-delude. With the aging out of the old nuclear and the slow replacement, our storage capacity being too small and limited etc I suspect any current estimate is going to be very much a “best case” which never is how life works.

However, that is not to say these are insurmountable but be very sceptical of those planners saying it is all fine. There are some technologies that may come though which make the delivery of what is needed much easier, but when you see the claims look at what they have assumed (which is where some of the scepticism of green policies now comes from) and what other trends are going to be a challenge.

Obviously you didn't read it, relying on fossil fuels to produce the leccy for your slave sourced greener batteries, dishonesty?, half boiled toffs that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, you know it makes sense👍

Right, but not for some shadowy evil reason, we ALL want to get rid if polluting cars and switch to transport that isn't killing the planet.
There's no conspiracy there, its a goal most of the planet openly shares.

/we ALL want to get rid if polluting cars and switch to transport that isn't killing the planet/

Speak for yourself, I have no intention of joining the club that knows child and slave labour are dying in holes in the African earth, to facilitate the wackos unachievable net zero!

Eh?

Links please

You don't want to get rid of pollution? Interesting, if mental, stance.