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theides · 2023-10-03T05:59:57+00:00

Exciting brave new future, isn't it! https://lizwatt.com/articles/what-is-the-great-reset/

BloodyHellKen · 03/10/2023 14:37

BloodyHellKen · 03/10/2023 12:05

If you are selling something then presumably you own it?

You could look at the ownership if a lot of property as akin to renting - How, please explain.

I really don't get your statement. We own our house, everything in it and the land it is built on. We aren't unusual in that aspect. We aren't renting it and our ownership is nothing like renting.

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I'm still here waiting for an answer.....

Anyone?

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 14:37

feellikeanalien · 03/10/2023 14:20

If you never own anything and rent everything, how do you carry on renting things when you no longer earn money? What happens to those people who can't pay to rent things? Will they get state help? Will it be limited to certain items?

I'm no conspiracy theorist but if you put this together with calls for increases in the pension age from Lord Frost (75 I think he said) then I foresee a very bleak future for those who do not have money.

If that’s a serious question then you rent from your savings or pension, the same way that you currently pay for food, holidays, car maintenance, clothes, cinema trips etc.

BloodyHellKen · 03/10/2023 14:40

theides · 03/10/2023 14:13

EV's are so past it, hydrogen is the way, quite apart from they want to force us off the roads...then implement the useless eaters program, learned from their nazi forebears!

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Is this some sort of unusual satire thread?

useless eaters program, learned from their nazi forebears

WTF are you on about Willis?

EmmaEmerald · 03/10/2023 14:40

Moon are you very young?

I'm sorry to ask but I can't get my head round someone wanting government to own and control all resources, unless it's a uni student wearing a commie T shirt.

Re cash - keep using it so all transactions are not trackable, unless you want a social credit system.

Pp saying no pockets in a shroud, you might want to leave something for someone - perhaps even a disabled child who will need care throughout adulthood.

Then again, usually people who say that have a fuckton of money or they'd not say it. Or they live off someone else and are clueless, I had to drift away from a friend married to a hedge fund manager because I got so bloody sick of her telling me to stop worrying about money (amongst other stupid comments).

Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 14:43

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 14:33

DH uses car rental schemes in a couple of the cities he works in, and thinks they are brilliant. I tend to agree, having a car available within a couple of hundred mètres of wherever you are is great, and is far better use of resources for those who just want to use one occasionally.

He also has a collection of cars and motorbikes which he owns, and sometimes goes out just to look at. That’s great too.

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What’s that got to do with the article I posted?

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 14:47

LumiB · 03/10/2023 12:38

Exactly - look at all the recent news getting people back to work who've managed to pay off their mortgage and retire early in their 50s or go part time cos they don't want to be on the hamster wheel as much or anymore.

If you are constantly having to pay for things esp a house you are never financially free unless you live that type of life where you enjoy moving about places and countries like a nomad.

Like anything on subscription or lease, the terms and conditions can change and rarely are they ever in your favour. I mean look at netflix cracking down on password sharing and plenty of noise about that - people actually having to pay for what they use lol. More recently with the rental increase due to interest rates going up and people who are renting finding they can't afford it anymore and having to go to something (if they can) that is worse than what they had.

You lose an element of control and freedom.

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And a constant feeling of insecurity and not knowing what's round the corner. People can't be expected to live like that. If they think mental illness rates are bad now, imagine how much worse they'll be when everyone finds themselves essentially trapped and indentured and constantly milked for money.

Human beings need a certain amount of autonomy and the ability to save money and own certain things. Have some basic choices. Anything else doesn't represent a civilised society. We'll just be serfs. People already can't afford to buy modest homes and start families. Renting is a minefield due to having few rights. EVs are unaffordable for ordinary people. Childcare is virtually unaffordable now and costs the same as a mortgage/rent.

If people think this is all a conspiracy theory, they've got a shock coming. It's already started.

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theides · 03/10/2023 14:49

feellikeanalien · 03/10/2023 14:20

If you never own anything and rent everything, how do you carry on renting things when you no longer earn money? What happens to those people who can't pay to rent things? Will they get state help? Will it be limited to certain items?

I'm no conspiracy theorist but if you put this together with calls for increases in the pension age from Lord Frost (75 I think he said) then I foresee a very bleak future for those who do not have money.

The useless eaters paradox👍

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Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 14:50

It's Lord Frost. He's a fucking moron.

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 14:50

And anyone who can't face/deal with/afford/is disabled etc. will be encouraged to use the National Euthanasia Programme.

Already happening in Canada, that kind, liberal, progressive HELLHOLE!

plumtreebroke · 03/10/2023 14:50

theides · 03/10/2023 08:50

8 predictions for the world in 2030
Nov 12, 2016

Facing the future
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For more information, watch sessions on the Global Economic Outlook, the Global Science Outlook and The Future of Consumption from our Annual Meeting 2017.
As Brexit and Donald Trump’s victory show, predicting even the immediate future is no easy feat. When it comes to what our world will look like in the medium-term – how we will organise our cities, where we will get our power from, what we will eat, what it will mean to be a refugee – it gets even trickier. But imagining the societies of tomorrow can give us a fresh perspective on the challenges and opportunities of today.
We asked experts from our Global Future Councils for their take on the world in 2030, and these are the results, from the death of shopping to the resurgence of the nation state.

All products will have become services. “I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes,” writes Danish MP Ida Auken. Shopping is a distant memory in the city of 2030, whose inhabitants have cracked clean energy and borrow what they need on demand. It sounds utopian, until she mentions that her every move is tracked and outside the city live swathes of discontents, the ultimate depiction of a society split in two.

There is a global price on carbon. China took the lead in 2017 with a market for trading the right to emit a tonne of CO2, setting the world on a path towards a single carbon price and a powerful incentive to ditch fossil fuels, predicts Jane Burston, Head of Climate and Environment at the UK’s National Physical Laboratory. Europe, meanwhile, found itself at the centre of the trade in cheap, efficient solar panels, as prices for renewables fell sharply.

US dominance is over. We have a handful of global powers. Nation states will have staged a comeback, writes Robert Muggah, Research Director at the Igarapé Institute. Instead of a single force, a handful of countries – the U.S., Russia, China, Germany, India and Japan chief among them – show semi-imperial tendencies. However, at the same time, the role of the state is threatened by trends including the rise of cities and the spread of online identities,

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Farewell hospital, hello home-spital. Technology will have further disrupted disease, writes Melanie Walker, a medical doctor and World Bank advisor. The hospital as we know it will be on its way out, with fewer accidents thanks to self-driving cars and great strides in preventive and personalised medicine. Scalpels and organ donors are out, tiny robotic tubes and bio-printed organs are in.

We are eating much less meat. Rather like our grandparents, we will treat meat as a treat rather than a staple, writes Tim Benton, Professor of Population Ecology at the University of Leeds, UK. It won’t be big agriculture or little artisan producers that win, but rather a combination of the two, with convenience food redesigned to be healthier and less harmful to the environment.

Today’s Syrian refugees, 2030’s CEOs. Highly educated Syrian refugees will have come of age by 2030, making the case for the economic integration of those who have been forced to flee conflict. The world needs to be better prepared for populations on the move, writes Lorna Solis, Founder and CEO of the NGO Blue Rose Compass, as climate change will have displaced 1 billion people.

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The values that built the West will have been tested to breaking point. We forget the checks and balances that bolster our democracies at our peril, writes Kenneth Roth, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch.

“By the 2030s, we'll be ready to move humans toward the Red Planet.” What’s more, once we get there, we’ll probably discover evidence of alien life, writes Ellen Stofan, Chief Scientist at NASA. Big science will help us to answer big questions about life on earth, as well as opening up practical applications for space technology.

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Just predictions educated guesses at best. A bit of a mixed bag really, possible dystopian future. Triumph of science on health. Need to protect democracy. Living on Mars. Could have predicted all of these in the 1980s didn't happen yet.

I could have written 8 predictions of what might happen by 2030 in 2016, they would probably all be wrong too, things go in unexpected directions.

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 14:54

I wonder who'll be shipped off to Mars? The useless eaters I suppose.

Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 15:01

Slightly off tangent but if you have time watch this episode of Steven Bartlett, Diary of a CEO interviewing Mo Gawdat re AI, the future does feel bleak but I felt a little more hopeful towards the end of the interview.

EMERGENCY EPISODE: Ex-Google Officer Finally Speaks Out On The Dangers Of AI! - Mo Gawdat | E252

If You Enjoyed This Episode You Must Watch This One With Mustafa Suleyman Google AI Exec: https://youtu.be/CTxnLsYHWuI0:00 Intro 02:54 Why is this podcast im...

https://youtu.be/bk-nQ7HF6k4?si=C4gCoBYAiflyUeWB

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theides · 03/10/2023 15:02

But unlike the wef, you have no clout no platform, no governments collaborating because you haven't infiltrated them!

Fuktard needs sorted!

theamericanreport.org/2022/01/30/klaus-schwab-brags-that-trudeau-merkel-putin-are-former-world-economic-forum-young-global-leaders-we-penetrate-the-cabinets/

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theides · 03/10/2023 15:10

Sad bastards!

nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-suicide-homeless

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Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 15:14

@plumtreebroke is that it? The thing people are shitting their pants about? It's not a conspiracy - It's jsut the sort of twatty future-casting resictions all of these types of orgnaisations indulge in. Most of them are run and populated by people who make Dominic Cummings look like a well balanced well socialised indivudual.

It's not a conspiracy, it is pointy heads indulging in a bit of faux intellectual wanking.

That sort of stuff has always gone on. In the fifities electricity was going to be too cheap to meter, we would have so much free time we wouldn't now what to do with it due to labour saving tech. In the sixties, flush with the possiblities of space travel they thought that we would be going to other planets for holidays

Janinejones · 03/10/2023 15:19

Can we take some comfort from the attempts to control us that have failed? But first, has the Govt of China succeeded in controlling it's people? Currently Yes, and the Communists in power there have been in charge for a long time now. Since 1950?
Has the government of of Russia controlled the Russians? Yes but many of Soviet Republics broke away. The people of Mother Russia are not happy we can agree.
Notable failures are: Nazi Germany, Italian Fascists, Napoleon and Continental Europe. They disintegrated after a few years.
Religions. The Vatican had enormous power for centuries.
The British Empire, so called; but did it control many people? No. It had many treaties some negotiated under duress or an imbalance of strength. It never did have enough soldiers.Compared to say the Chinese Army or the German occupation forces in Western Europe in WW2. Then it broke up mainly by negotiation.
Civilian or Economic organisations, here with descend into myth and Conspiracy Theory. Da Vinci Code type myths. Knight Templars a foundation of fact much embroidered. Free Masons? Really a club that raises funds for charities and good causes here in the UK and USA. There are other opinions in Europe though.
The John Birch Society and the Evangelical Right in USA. Not a cohesive group. Influence perhaps but not real power.
The great predecessor of the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset is The Bilderberg Group. So many myths and falsehoods.
Most of the above organisations have websites and Wikipedia is a good place to start. I do mean start and then move on to other sources.

BloodyHellKen · 03/10/2023 15:20

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 15:14

@plumtreebroke is that it? The thing people are shitting their pants about? It's not a conspiracy - It's jsut the sort of twatty future-casting resictions all of these types of orgnaisations indulge in. Most of them are run and populated by people who make Dominic Cummings look like a well balanced well socialised indivudual.

It's not a conspiracy, it is pointy heads indulging in a bit of faux intellectual wanking.

That sort of stuff has always gone on. In the fifities electricity was going to be too cheap to meter, we would have so much free time we wouldn't now what to do with it due to labour saving tech. In the sixties, flush with the possiblities of space travel they thought that we would be going to other planets for holidays

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I was at primary school in the 1970s and can definitely remember watching a programmes for schools episode on the massive wheel out TV that told us all about space travel and how by the time we had our own children it would be routine to go on holiday to another planet.

Can you imagine how rubbish it would be going to the moon on holiday 😅

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 15:21

Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 14:43

What’s that got to do with the article I posted?

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What has a comment on car subscription schemes got to do with an article on car subscription schemes?

Seriously?

SisterMichaelsHabit · 03/10/2023 15:24

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 13:55

It fits in as it’s a scheme to try to find a route to ownership for those priced out of the traditional route.

A scheme to help people buy a home isn’t good evidence of a plot to stop people owning things.

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Thanks for replying I guess?

I don't know where in my post you got the idea I was talking about any kind of "evidence of a plot to stop people owning things", slightly bizarre response there. You could have just said you didn't understand what I was asking (which was about the original statement the WEF made and what it meant) or didn't want to think about the long-term implications of the changing consumer habits we find ourselves facing at present.

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 15:25

To make my earlier point less obliquely, DH and I are fortunate enough to have jobs and friendship groups that mean we’d be the ones on the inside if these plots were real.

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 15:27

EmmaEmerald · 03/10/2023 14:40

Moon are you very young?

I'm sorry to ask but I can't get my head round someone wanting government to own and control all resources, unless it's a uni student wearing a commie T shirt.

Re cash - keep using it so all transactions are not trackable, unless you want a social credit system.

Pp saying no pockets in a shroud, you might want to leave something for someone - perhaps even a disabled child who will need care throughout adulthood.

Then again, usually people who say that have a fuckton of money or they'd not say it. Or they live off someone else and are clueless, I had to drift away from a friend married to a hedge fund manager because I got so bloody sick of her telling me to stop worrying about money (amongst other stupid comments).

Who are you suggesting wants the state to own and control all resources?

I don’t think that anyone on here is saying that.

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 15:31

Most advanced western ecomomies are consumer societies, I am not sure it is in their interests to stop people buying and owning things.

In fact a lot of the older school capitalists (newspaper owners, film companies, large retailers) are in crisis precisely because younger people do not want to own physical things or even pay for content.

Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 15:31

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 15:21

What has a comment on car subscription schemes got to do with an article on car subscription schemes?

Seriously?

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DH uses car rental schemes in a couple of the cities he works in, and thinks they are brilliant. I tend to agree, having a car available within a couple of hundred mètres of wherever you are is great, and is far better use of resources for those who just want to use one occasionally.

He also has a collection of cars and motorbikes which he owns, and sometimes goes out just to look at. That’s great too.

Yes seriously, your comment was not about car subscription schemes it’s about hiring a car! your comment has absolutely nothing to do with the article I posted, clearly you haven’t read it.

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 15:33

umm things like Zipcar are car subscription schemes.

Ginmonkeyagain · 03/10/2023 15:34

Oh god - I went in and read it - she's a freeman of the land type. They're all mad as a box of frogs.