You will own nothing, seriously?

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Exciting brave new future, isn't it!

lizwatt.com/articles/what-is-the-great-reset/

TVs being rented. That’s nothing new. Anyone remember Radio rentals?

I remember radio rentals. Not sure about its model but our town had two of these shops where you could rent any electric goods and pay extortionately to be able to do so. Obviously this was something that the least able to afford to leak money like that were most likely to have to resort to.

The point is that someone will own all the housing and products the rest of us will be renting.

It's essentially a new type of feudalism. A teeny tiny minority will own (and therefore control) all the resources, and the rest of us serfs will only get conditional access to the resources.

Someone will have to own these things. For example we can see banks buying up properties to becomes landlords themselves. So in this future world if corporations own houses like banks, lets see what could happen. You could be like Nigel Farage and a bank basically says because of your opinion which we don't like you can no longer rent a house with us or bank with us. And if all other banks did the same effectively you're homeless with no access to money. Whilst this is really out there as a hypothetical it doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

This is where the debate is, on the level of control a small number of people or corporations will have over people.

If you lease and rent stuff you have to look after it too much, my car is to get me from a to b not something to worry about getting a scratch on and all the posts on here about about people renting and landlords moaning about this, that and the other.

It is amusing to see people try and dismiss this as a conspiracy theory (just like the 15 min cities). They are genuine ideas, but not because those who espouse them are evil people but because they are weird. The ideas that underlie them are not new the same ideas have been around for decades. Lots of modernist architecture was designed with the same assumptions and no idea how real people actually work. The result is always bad because those who push these things are utopian.

It doesn’t help that many of those who come up with the ideas have often not spent a lot of time who have had to do practical things in life.

Maybe you needed more than a quick Google.

The Great Reset is a (badly written) book written by Klaus Schwab and Thierry Malleret

It’s weird that crackpot ideas are being blamed, not on the people who came up with them, but the people who discuss the crackpottage.

Moon there is definitely an attack on freedom but I accept most people are not bothered by this.

if you read the original article, the attack is clear, you don't need to read any hyperbolic material around it.

as I often mention, the HSBC ads stating "your DNA will be your data" put it very clearly. They are not being hyperbolic or trying to create panic, just stating a fact about how they want to set up banking. If you are not worried, great, you do you.

A world where everyone is equal

You might want to start by defining 'equal.'

And they are pushed by people who are billionaires so of course it won't impact them in any negative way whatsoever.

Well, that's a different version of 'do your own research' with an additional helping of snark about my lack of intellectual ability, to be sure.

Let me clarify. What do YOU mean by equal? and having defined it, how would you go about achieving it? because having an aim like 'everyone being equal' is pointless if you a) can't define what you mean b) don't know how you're going to achieve that aim and c) can't say how you know you'll have achieved it.

And it all starts with defining your terms. So, what do you mean by equal?

But feudalism moves us closer to that, "work yourself to death for us" not further away.

To use this original article as an example, smaller and smaller numbers of people owning investments means you are dependent on them for hiring your home or even your hairdryer. And they hold all the power.

@lliij8 Thanks for the nod about history books, viewpoints and opinions that might be deliberately withdrawn. Some are out of print for commercial reasons of course.
Have you particular books in mind?
I have several history books written by Arthur Bryant. They seem to be correct factually but everything is described in terms of Britain 'standing alone'. He wrote mostly during WW2. See his views on GB against Napoleon and the rise of John Churchill under Queen Anne.
He is an 'Arcadian' and much criticised by academics I was told.

Another of schwab's lunatic interests!

www.clubofrome.org/publication/the-first-global-revolution-1991/

MoonGlad that was helpful

Yes, the first question we all had in our heads when the article came out was "who owns the stuff". As I say, many blocks of flats in London are now rental only. Approach the owner of the block and ask if you can be an investor - the answer is no because it's owned by a corp, or a venture capitalist, or a private equity firm.

In my previous flat in North London, the offices opposite were converted into flats. Renters in my block approached them to see if they could buy - after all, it's their area, their support network is there.

Answer is no - all flats purchased by investors abroad, mostly at a big property expo in one country.

I think the hope with a lot of these promos is that idealists won't ask who makes a profit.

Understanding is spreading. My sister couldn't understand why I was concerned about the end of cash a few years back. She never carried it. Now she does.

It does annoy me a lot that the things that made people call me a conspiracy theorist a few years ago are now legit concerns among the same people, but do I ever hear "sorry I called you a CT". Nope.

So I might seem like I'm sniggering or snarky on these threads but it is all very "don't say we didn't warn you". This has been in development for years. There was some reporting about disappearing middle classes in the 2010s - we're all going to be rich or poor.

luckily, at school, the book we had on the Wall Street Crash of 1929 said "there is no game in the world in which everyone loses". So I learned about disaster capitalism then, there's nothing new really.

the recent interest rate hikes - anyone looking at the finance of the situation in 2020 knew they were coming and planned their spending accordingly. I am sympathetic to those facing massive mortgage hikes of course, I just wish there had been more awareness of all this.

I do have to ask what you thought would happen to corporations and how you thought there'd be no rich people?

Exactly, infact Blackrock over in the USA has been doing this, buying up housing.

And we all know how difficult it is for governments to even get corporations to act responsibly.

LuniB - I know, in fact I walked BlackRock a lot when I was working in the City.

Kicking myself for not investing there before.

I've just had a doctor's appointment and he was saying a lot of the short term anxiety treatments are slowly being withdrawn. I wasn't going to waste his time chatting but of course they are....they want more patients on longer term drugs.

happily, my father left us a couple of sets of big pharma shares, bless him.

<wanders off humming "It's Money That Matters">

I too get annoyed when everything gets labelled a conspiracy theory or people who dare to challenge or question are called conspiracy theorists. Especially when its there in black and white for anyone to read. That's not a theory. A theory would be to say there are aliens walking amongst us - no proof, no evidence.