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You will own nothing, seriously?

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theides · 03/10/2023 06:59

Exciting brave new future, isn't it!

lizwatt.com/articles/what-is-the-great-reset/

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MoonShinesBright · 03/10/2023 10:39

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Highandlows · 03/10/2023 11:01

Of course they could ban flying and many other things over climate change. Perfect excuse. A lot of people would be onboard with these ideas as well. Very scary!

Cailleachian · 03/10/2023 11:02

The solution to all this is Bitcoin, but I can tell I'm going to get a lot of pushback on this, and I'm not up for arguing.

What I am going to say is that a lot of people see bitcoin as an investment or as something that they can sell in future, but that isnt really the purpose of bitcoin its so much bigger than that.

For those who do want to know more, this is a really good place to start
https://21lessons.com/toc

Table of Contents - 21Lessons.com

21 Lessons Learned from Falling Down the Bitcoin Rabbit Hole.

https://21lessons.com/toc

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 11:08

PoseasRadicalActuallyMisogynistic · 03/10/2023 07:36

Do we actually own anything anyway, we buy and sell our possessions on the internet, houses are bought and sold. Ownership of many things is transient.
You could look at the ownership if a lot of property as akin to renting. (Although sometimes the object pays us).

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Yes, we own many things. It’s completely different to renting, which is why there’s a different word.

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 11:16

AceOfCups · 03/10/2023 09:18

The point is that someone will own all the housing and products the rest of us will be renting.

It's essentially a new type of feudalism. A teeny tiny minority will own (and therefore control) all the resources, and the rest of us serfs will only get conditional access to the resources.

I could certainly get behind that, but it doesn’t seem very likely.

BloodyHellKen · 03/10/2023 12:05

PoseasRadicalActuallyMisogynistic · 03/10/2023 07:36

Do we actually own anything anyway, we buy and sell our possessions on the internet, houses are bought and sold. Ownership of many things is transient.
You could look at the ownership if a lot of property as akin to renting. (Although sometimes the object pays us).

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If you are selling something then presumably you own it?

You could look at the ownership if a lot of property as akin to renting - How, please explain.

I really don't get your statement. We own our house, everything in it and the land it is built on. We aren't unusual in that aspect. We aren't renting it and our ownership is nothing like renting.

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 12:26

I've had Google music albums disappear and have had to buy the CDs on eBay.

The capitalist model is to make as much money out of people as possible, for as long as possible. Keeping us all in debt and renting/leasing stuff means that we'll be trapped having to work for longer and having to pay out constantly. We'll still continue to own our own knickers and shampoo - although that'll probably be on subscription - but more significant things will never be ours. It stops people from opting out. We'll be trapped, like hamsters on an endless wheel in a miserable plastic tank.

LumiB · 03/10/2023 12:38

parameciumparty · 03/10/2023 12:26

I've had Google music albums disappear and have had to buy the CDs on eBay.

The capitalist model is to make as much money out of people as possible, for as long as possible. Keeping us all in debt and renting/leasing stuff means that we'll be trapped having to work for longer and having to pay out constantly. We'll still continue to own our own knickers and shampoo - although that'll probably be on subscription - but more significant things will never be ours. It stops people from opting out. We'll be trapped, like hamsters on an endless wheel in a miserable plastic tank.

Exactly - look at all the recent news getting people back to work who've managed to pay off their mortgage and retire early in their 50s or go part time cos they don't want to be on the hamster wheel as much or anymore.

If you are constantly having to pay for things esp a house you are never financially free unless you live that type of life where you enjoy moving about places and countries like a nomad.

Like anything on subscription or lease, the terms and conditions can change and rarely are they ever in your favour. I mean look at netflix cracking down on password sharing and plenty of noise about that - people actually having to pay for what they use lol. More recently with the rental increase due to interest rates going up and people who are renting finding they can't afford it anymore and having to go to something (if they can) that is worse than what they had.

You lose an element of control and freedom.

JaneJeffer · 03/10/2023 13:15
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Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 13:20

I’m so glad people are waking up to what is happening, honestly the people screaming we are stupid conspiracy theorists need to open their eyes, I sometimes wonder if their anger is actually fear so they lash out because deep down they know it’s true.

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 13:25

Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 13:20

I’m so glad people are waking up to what is happening, honestly the people screaming we are stupid conspiracy theorists need to open their eyes, I sometimes wonder if their anger is actually fear so they lash out because deep down they know it’s true.

It’s more that those of us who are senior in banking and law have no time for the more ludicrous claims, as we’d already know about it if there were moves afoot to outlaw private property or subjugate the masses.

SisterMichaelsHabit · 03/10/2023 13:41

totaldeniallimitation · 03/10/2023 08:55

Having had quite a bit of contact with conspiracy theorists and looked a little into their ideas, there is a kernel of truth in some of them. Just wildly conflated into something deliberately conspiratorial by a malicious elite who want to control us all for unexplained reasons.

However there are some legitimate concerns about who can control access to money, culture and knowledge etc, as pp highlighted especially when it is all digital. And there are those who actively campaign to limit / end exposure of others to those whose ideas they don’t like, even when those ideas are reasonable and evidence based and held by most people in society ( such as those who believe in the material reality of sex and it’s importance). We should not be blasé about that, I think.

It strikes me that if I wanted to make sure I got buy in and the easiest time possible of making huge changes to the way society is administered, people's outlook on ownership, medical care, etc, the best way to do it would be to make out that the whole thing was a big conspiracy so no one truly believed it was happening until it actually had happened.

That's literally how Brexit happened.

SisterMichaelsHabit · 03/10/2023 13:45

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 13:25

It’s more that those of us who are senior in banking and law have no time for the more ludicrous claims, as we’d already know about it if there were moves afoot to outlaw private property or subjugate the masses.

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As we're discussing this rationally and without tinfoil hats for a moment, where does the massive uptick in shared ownership properties (and lease cars with impossibly high monthly and balloon payments compared to 5 years ago) fit with this? Because to me that's where the "you will own nothing" seems to be becoming a reality for younger people. Major assets are becoming not only unobtainable but details are being changed so we can think we have stuff but not really. This is something I've been pondering on recently as we're considering shared ownership.

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 13:55

SisterMichaelsHabit · 03/10/2023 13:45

As we're discussing this rationally and without tinfoil hats for a moment, where does the massive uptick in shared ownership properties (and lease cars with impossibly high monthly and balloon payments compared to 5 years ago) fit with this? Because to me that's where the "you will own nothing" seems to be becoming a reality for younger people. Major assets are becoming not only unobtainable but details are being changed so we can think we have stuff but not really. This is something I've been pondering on recently as we're considering shared ownership.

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It fits in as it’s a scheme to try to find a route to ownership for those priced out of the traditional route.

A scheme to help people buy a home isn’t good evidence of a plot to stop people owning things.

Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 13:57

Look at the way cars are heading.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/13/23206999/car-subscription-nightmare-heated-seats-remote-start

You will own nothing, seriously?
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theides · 03/10/2023 14:03

All it boils down to is what it has always been, them and us, the medieval enslavers called it serfdom, as they robbed the plebs blind. As it was then, it is now.

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BethDuttonsTwin · 03/10/2023 14:07

Nousernamesleftatall · 03/10/2023 08:11

The statement was said in a video produced by the World Economic Forum and published on their platforms. It was taken down after it got backlash so not a conspiracy theory. It’s all tied into UN agenda 2030 which the WEF and UN said at a press conference they plan to accelerate together after Covid. The U.K. government has published what it will entail and ideally they say you will be allowed purchase one item of new clothing a year and never be able to fly. It’s people like you that dismiss this slow walk into totalitarian that will wake up one day and think how did we get here. This plan is decades in the making and many world leaders talk openly about it yet you are denying it because WEF owned fact checkers tell you to.

This.

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theides · 03/10/2023 14:13

Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 13:57

EV's are so past it, hydrogen is the way, quite apart from they want to force us off the roads...then implement the useless eaters program, learned from their nazi forebears!

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griegwithhimandhim · 03/10/2023 14:14

theides · 03/10/2023 06:59

Exciting brave new future, isn't it!

lizwatt.com/articles/what-is-the-great-reset/

Two things...

Firstly - if you think I'm opening some random link, you have another think coming.

Secondly - you can't take it with you, there are no pockets in a shroud.

SonicBoo · 03/10/2023 14:15

Anyone can Google 'Andrew Bailey Diary' and it appears on the BoE website. He attended a virtual WEF meeting on 10th June 2020 about The Great Reset.
I used to laugh off a lot of it off but we seem to be more controlled than ever by the Government and beyond and none of us seem to be living better lives because of it. There is so much greed and control by those in charge. Some elected, some not. We should all take note and pay attention to the facts.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 03/10/2023 14:17

griegwithhimandhim · 03/10/2023 14:14

Two things...

Firstly - if you think I'm opening some random link, you have another think coming.

Secondly - you can't take it with you, there are no pockets in a shroud.

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It's just some Hopi ear candle woman that writes a blog worrying about The Man.

@HongKongGarden thanks for your sensible posts.

feellikeanalien · 03/10/2023 14:20

If you never own anything and rent everything, how do you carry on renting things when you no longer earn money? What happens to those people who can't pay to rent things? Will they get state help? Will it be limited to certain items?

I'm no conspiracy theorist but if you put this together with calls for increases in the pension age from Lord Frost (75 I think he said) then I foresee a very bleak future for those who do not have money.

Parsley1234 · 03/10/2023 14:27

I find it completely insane all this control and I’m so worried about the future for my son

LumiB · 03/10/2023 14:30

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 13:25

It’s more that those of us who are senior in banking and law have no time for the more ludicrous claims, as we’d already know about it if there were moves afoot to outlaw private property or subjugate the masses.

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its called nudge theory, used a lot by governments. Slowly nudge people in the direction they want things to go and whilst some is for good e.g. environment some isn't

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 14:33

Celibacyinthesticks · 03/10/2023 13:57

DH uses car rental schemes in a couple of the cities he works in, and thinks they are brilliant. I tend to agree, having a car available within a couple of hundred mètres of wherever you are is great, and is far better use of resources for those who just want to use one occasionally.

He also has a collection of cars and motorbikes which he owns, and sometimes goes out just to look at. That’s great too.